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Should the Jazz shut Favors down for a while?

NUMBERICA said:
The glaring weakness was that the Jazz did a horrific job filling the backup spot. It would improve almost by default by grabbing any random player. Ed Davis was arguably the worst in the league and Tony Bradley isn't an NBA player. Bigs that do big things but can't shoot or dribble are not rare commodities. I don't know who would've come for the BAE, but that's what they should've spent since I guarantee you the Jazz are not retaining this team through next year's trade deadline, and they will probably have to offload an asset they're going to have to dig out of somewhere that could've been used to replenish team depth or improve the roster with. Bobby Portis comes to mind. Or you know, play the next Shaquille O'Neal that the Jazz were raving about. Or play Morgan.

And if Favors breaks down half way through the first season he's under contract, he's hardly more help than a scrub. Hopefully rest does the trick but he shouldn't be broken down and there's no reason to believe this will get anything but worse as the years wear on.
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The Jazz center may not have to dribble/shoot, but they are tasked with a lot of offensive responsibilities that not a lot of those types of dudes (like Davis) can do well.
 
Joncolton said:
If Azubuike can get back by mid-April - that could really help the defense in the 2nd unit. He'd be learning still, but the other 4 men on the floor would know exactly what they are doing. He just needs to learn the lesson, that took Rudy a couple of season to figure out - don't jump.

The nice part would be with him in the middle, you would play exactly the same style of defensive you would if Favors or Gobert were there. But, you'd have his 7'7" wingspan patrolling the paint. If nothing else, it would give us 18 fouls to give from the 5 spot.
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He's done for the season dude.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
They trying to win the ring now dude.

They gave Favs money cuz they wanted him to make them better.

They drafted Udoka (I believe, I'm sure there are more reasons as well) because he provided insurance to a center depth chart that has injury concerns. That with his unique combo of vertical explosion and length, he probably gave the Jazz some visions of him being super effective in their offense. For as good as Gobert is at finishing, the guy has very little standstill explosion. Doka just has such outlier tools to be an insane rim finisher. Hopefully his body holds up.

They obviously think the position is more important than the average NBA person.

At the end of the day all that matters is results. If Favors proves to be important factor in the playoffs and helps the Jazz get to the Championship it would be hard to call it an overpay.
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Well guess what? if they wanna win the ring now they would almost certainly have to upgrade favs position before the deadline and it's impossible to do, all because of the money they paid him.

signing favs isn't the issue. just sign him to one year. maybe two. or make his third year a team option so we still have room to maneuver in case it doesn't work out.

but they gave him the full 3 yr MLE and now we are stuck.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Has anyone mentioned he just got a week off? How much rest does he need?
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by "shut down" i think of more than just rest. assign Favs the "Luol Deng" role and deploy Morgan as our full time Rudy backup.

we have enough sample size for a serious adjustment at this point, given the fact that attacking favs relentlessly when rudy is out should have already been featured on every opponent's scouting report.
 
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Just feels real ****ing lame that we are salary cap fearmongering while the Jazz got the best record in the NBA and are in the best position to win a ring that the franchise has ever been in.
 
Sure.

Lets not worry.

Jazz have already secured the #1 seed for 2020-2021 season.

You know what? Screw it. Jazz have already won the 2021 NBA championship.

Quin just won COY. Mitchell won the MVP. Clarokson SMOY. Rudy the DPOY.

Forget about going 2-4 in early March. Forget about favors having a net +plus/minus of minus 69 when he's on the floor and costing us ball games.

The ring is already ours. Everything is fine folks.
 
NUMBERICA said:
He's done for the season dude.
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Link?

Saint Cy of JFC said:
Just feels real ****ing lame that we are salary cap fearmongering while the Jazz got the best record in the NBA and are in the best position to win a ring that the franchise has ever been in.
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We've just won 5 out of our last 10 going 5-5 or if you want to make it look worse - we lost 75% of our last 4 games going 1-3.

I think the mood is appropriate - the Jazz need to start playing their BEST basketball because everyone playing against them is.

New Orleans - beat us - in their best game of their season.
Miami - same.
GSW - same.
Sixers - same.
Clippers - same.

Teams are AMPED to the play against the Utah Jazz - if our guys don't bring their A game - well, we've seen what happens.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Has anyone mentioned he just got a week off? How much rest does he need?
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Yeah I thought of that today. Highly concerning. I think I saw him jump twice in the game today. And his lateral movement was terrible. Maybe he needs a month off, who knows.
 
Joncolton said:
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We've just won 5 out of our last 10 going 5-5 or if you want to make it look worse - we lost 75% of our last 4 games going 1-3.

I think the mood is appropriate - the Jazz need to start playing their BEST basketball because everyone playing against them is.

New Orleans - beat us - in their best game of their season.
Miami - same.
GSW - same.
Sixers - same.
Clippers - same.

Teams are AMPED to the play against the Utah Jazz - if our guys don't bring their A game - well, we've seen what happens.
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I got no issue with people complaining about
Joncolton said:
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We've just won 5 out of our last 10 going 5-5 or if you want to make it look worse - we lost 75% of our last 4 games going 1-3.

I think the mood is appropriate - the Jazz need to start playing their BEST basketball because everyone playing against them is.

New Orleans - beat us - in their best game of their season.
Miami - same.
GSW - same.
Sixers - same.
Clippers - same.

Teams are AMPED to the play against the Utah Jazz - if our guys don't bring their A game - well, we've seen what happens.
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Jazz are fine.
 
Favors hasn't been great recently but he definitely doesn't deserve to be a scapegoat. We have been succesful because we had 6-7 guys playing at the high level for a long stretch. Bogie or Donovan had bad games but there were always someone else stepping up. We are collectively worse now. We are looking like in those losses to Knicks or Brooklyn just before we went on that long winning streak.
 
I think Favs is the symptom of a bigger problem... we just don't have a lot of plus defenders on the perimeter. They don't force a lot of turnovers or get a lot of steals.

The system puts too much pressure on the rim protectors imo... in the playoffs when teams plan to pull Rudy out the paint it becomes a bigger problem.

We should have figured out ways to still be functional on defense without the best rim protector in the league. We should have a couple different styles we can play... we are setting ourselves up to maximize wins in the post season but may end up falling short in the playoffs. Good healthy teams have been able to solve us the last few weeks.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I think Favs is the symptom of a bigger problem... we just don't have a lot of plus defenders on the perimeter. They don't force a lot of turnovers or get a lot of steals.

The system puts too much pressure on the rim protectors imo... in the playoffs when teams plan to pull Rudy out the paint it becomes a bigger problem.

We should have figured out ways to still be functional on defense without the best rim protector in the league. We should have a couple different styles we can play... we are setting ourselves up to maximize wins in the post season but may end up falling short in the playoffs. Good healthy teams have been able to solve us the last few weeks.
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It's hardly anything new. Andy Larsen sent about 10 tweets after the Doke pick explaining why fixing perimeter D was more important than doubling down on rim protection
 
jom2003 said:
It's hardly anything new. Andy Larsen sent about 10 tweets after the Doke pick explaining why fixing perimeter D was more important than doubling down on rim protection
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Yes this is something many of us have been clamoring for since the playoffs last year. It seems weird the team doesn't see this. How can they not? I really hope this means they have a plan to account for this. But the D overall needs to be fixed. It's a real problem the last 6 games or so. Especially with Gobert on the bench.
 
jom2003 said:
It's hardly anything new. Andy Larsen sent about 10 tweets after the Doke pick explaining why fixing perimeter D was more important than doubling down on rim protection
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LogGrad98 said:
Yes this is something many of us have been clamoring for since the playoffs last year. It seems weird the team doesn't see this. How can they not? I really hope this means they have a plan to account for this. But the D overall needs to be fixed. It's a real problem the last 6 games or so. Especially with Gobert on the bench.
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Agreed. And I was there with all of you scratching my head. The funny thing is Locke and others have made it sound like it is impossible to play multiple different defensive styles. Last night Warriors switched which threw us off and then they went with some zone... some of it worked and led to some turnovers.

I didn't get too down on the Favs signing because he's one of the few that's had success doing what we do... he also struggled with it at times. I didn't see the need to go as far as they did on the money side because shaving some money off that deal would allow you to duck the tax this year which saves us some serious headaches later. I also thought there were a few guys that could be had for cheap that could protect the rim such as Alex Len (minimum deal), Nerlens Noel (around $5M) are a couple examples.

To me it comes down to the final goal of the team... if you want to maximize regular season success getting bench guys that do a reasonable copy of what the starters do makes sense. Winning a championship requires roster and system flexibility... its why elite two way wings are so valuable. They provide maximum flexibility. We likely weren't getting one of those types with the MLE or whoever we drafted so it probably doesn't matter. It just feels too safe and too comfortable to use the assets the way we did.

We are falling into some of our old habits... but hopefully its just a small lapse in the middle of a season and we figure things out. Hopefully its not that we were playing a little over our heads and had some schedule luck (we caught a lot of teams without key guys).
 
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