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Should the Jazz Trade Al Jefferson *poll*

Should the Jazz Trade Jefferson

  • Yes

    Votes: 94 88.7%

  • No

    Votes: 12 11.3%
  • Total voters
    106
Cyrone Torbin said:
Lack of FT's is for sure his biggest problem. His defense could be overlooked if was able to get 4 more points per game off of FT's.
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After watching 2 years of AJ I would say that i not his biggest problem, rather FTs are a symptom. Al's problems are twofold, he believes he is a complete player and he does not possess the competitive fire that defines greatness.

If Al was who I thought he was at the beginning of the season he would have mastered that high-low, would have made it his mission to rotate and would have given and taken hard fouls.

He wasn't, isn't and I had been waiting for pressure to cook him into what I thought he could be. It's time to move on. As a person Al is so easy to root for, and I'll hope for good pastures for him but his era is done.

Makes me sad, but there is no way KOC doesn't see this. Al's career in Utah is over.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Lack of FT's is for sure his biggest problem. His defense could be overlooked if was able to get 4 more points per game off of FT's.
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I can't overlook his ****ty defense. I don't care how many points a guy is scoring. If you give up layups you won't win a championship.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Lack of FT's is for sure his biggest problem. His defense could be overlooked if was able to get 4 more points per game off of FT's.
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Nothing short of redefining his offensive game would come close to negating his defensive liablity.
You can compare Al and Boozer as both are subpar defenders - but the difference between the two is Boozer's (when healthy) offensive game fit Utah's system like a glove. Boozer wasn't just a 20-point scorer, he could do it scoring individually or within the team-concept (pick&roll, high-post passing, hitting low-post cutters). Al is virtually a 1-dimensional player who scores the over-whelming majority of his points from a stationary spot on the left-side of the floor, can't score while on the move, doesn't play well in any type of 2-man game (we saw that last year w/Deron), and gets to the FT line at an alarmlingly low rate. So not only is he a complete defensive liability like Boozer, the stagnation you have on the offensive end prevents you from becoming an elite offensive team (which the Jazz were from 2006-10) to counter the easy baskets you're giving up.

The tipping point for me is, as effective as Millsap was behind Boozer - Sap still had many of the same limitations in terms of size and offensively at the time couldn't do many of the things as well as Boozer did, so it wasn't like we had an ideal replacement where shipping Boozer off made perfect sense.
Right now behind Jefferson, we have a 20-year old in Favors who can defend the rim, can play pick&roll basketball and can get to the FT line just by playing a primitive "I'm going right to the rim and trying to score" skillset. It's not just getting rid of what you term your "problems" are, it's fixing them, and Favors is someone who can fix alot of what the Jazz are lacking inside.
 
vslice02 said:
Nothing short of redefining his offensive game would come close to negating his defensive liablity.
You can compare Al and Boozer as both are subpar defenders - but the difference between the two is Boozer's (when healthy) offensive game fits Utah's system like a glove. Boozer wasn't just a 20-point scorer, he could do it scoring individually or within the team-concept (pick&roll, high-post passing, hitting low-post cutters). Al is virtually a 1-dimensional player who scores the over-whelming majority of his points on the left-side of the floor, can't score while on the move, doesn't play well in any type of 2-man game (we saw that last year w/Deron), and gets to the FT line at an alarmlingly low rate. So not only is he a complete defensive liability like Boozer, the stagnation you have on the offensive end prevents you from becoming an elite offensive team (which the Jazz were from 2006-10) to counter the easy baskets you're giving up.
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!!!
 
I always enjoyed how people in general failed to understand that Boozer didn't post low and ogre ball it out because he sucked at it or was soft. He didn't do that because it throws a boot in the works of the offense.
 
Al Jefferson is Carlos Santana... they're both stuck on the same tune. Very un-jazz-like in every sense.

I don't think I can take it around here this offseason with Al still officially on the team. Thankfully I have some traveling coming up...
 
i wonder if there was a third option : Hell yeah, would it prevail to 'Yes'?
 
I was hoping for KOC to trade AL at the deadline, but I really wanted to buy into the rebuilding while remaining relevant hype. I think my definition of relevant is quite a bit different from a lot of people here. Anyway, I'd like to say I have complete confidence in KOC to do what needs to be done in the offseason, but to be completely honest, I have my doubts as to whether or not our FO is truly committed to building a contender, or if they'll just be content to play it safe. To me, this season should have been the exception to the rule, in that it should have been a rebuilding season from the very start. KOC has done some great things to get us to where we are now, but one or two missteps, and it could negate much of what he's done right.

I've still got high hopes for some cards to fall our way, but I'm definately concerned that our FO may choose to play it safe, and go into next season with the same basic team we have now.
 
freakazoid said:
I was hoping for KOC to trade AL at the deadline, but I really wanted to buy into the rebuilding while remaining relevant hype. I think my definition of relevant is quite a bit different from a lot of people here. Anyway, I'd like to say I have complete confidence in KOC to do what needs to be done in the offseason, but to be completely honest, I have my doubts as to whether or not our FO is truly committed to building a contender, or if they'll just be content to play it safe. To me, this season should have been the exception to the rule, in that it should have been a rebuilding season from the very start. KOC has done some great things to get us to where we are now, but one or two missteps, and it could negate much of what he's done right.

I've still got high hopes for some cards to fall our way, but I'm definately concerned that our FO may choose to play it safe, and go into next season with the same basic team we have now.
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He negates everything he does all the time. LEts see how the Pacers are doing...fine...Well, they been constantly picking players KOC passes on. LIKE Hibbert, Hansbrough, George, and even Granger. KOC is only good when he gets a top three pick. And he pissed Dwill off lets see if we can keep this young core. Because if I were them and I saw what a poor effort the starters were giving I would want to leave UTah too.
 
Lol 33-1. Unanimity.

I hope Al gets traded fast because Tyrone needs to work on some offensive sets. Hopefully we see more cuts, screens, and passes next year cause this year's offense sucked worse than I've ever seen.
 
freakazoid said:
I was hoping for KOC to trade AL at the deadline, but I really wanted to buy into the rebuilding while remaining relevant hype. I think my definition of relevant is quite a bit different from a lot of people here. Anyway, I'd like to say I have complete confidence in KOC to do what needs to be done in the offseason, but to be completely honest, I have my doubts as to whether or not our FO is truly committed to building a contender, or if they'll just be content to play it safe. To me, this season should have been the exception to the rule, in that it should have been a rebuilding season from the very start. KOC has done some great things to get us to where we are now, but one or two missteps, and it could negate much of what he's done right.

I've still got high hopes for some cards to fall our way, but I'm definately concerned that our FO may choose to play it safe, and go into next season with the same basic team we have now.
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It might actually make sense to go into the season with the same team next year. At the very least, it wouldn't likely make sense to go into the season next year with a guy we traded Al/Sap/Devin for that cuts into our cap space in 13. By KOC's own design, we're set to build our team in FA around the young guys we have. KOC has until the end of next season to figure out who the cornerstones are. Favors is obviously one. Unless he brings Deron back, I expect the exact same team back with minor alterations. And I'll be OK with that assuming that 13 is when he makes his moves.
 
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