Should we give Jeremy Evans a huge deal this summer?

[Mongoose]

An inability to do something at an elite level is not evidence of laziness. My guess is that Evans would absolutely school you in a game of one on one basketball. Is that because you are lazy?

You're right, but the inability to show any improvement at something he has been paid to do for the last four years is a pretty good indicator of laziness. He has not improved at his profession in four years! I can say with confidence that if I was the same height as Jeremy I would absolutely crush him at basketball, and I am not very good.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

You're right, but the inability to show any improvement at something he has been paid to do for the last four years is a pretty good indicator of laziness. He has not improved at his profession in four years! I can say with confidence that if I was the same height as Jeremy I would absolutely crush him at basketball, and I am not very good.

If you are not very good you would not crush Evans at basketball, even if you were the same height. I think you are vastly underestimating how much better than the average even the worst players in the NBA are. He would destroy you.

 

[Mongoose]

If you are not very good you would not crush Evans at basketball, even if you were the same height. I think you are vastly underestimating how much better than the average even the worst players in the NBA are. He would destroy you.

Darn, I guess we'll never know... Must be my arrogance talking, but I think you are overestimating the ability to slam dunk a basketball.
To be Evans I must do two things.... 1- Be tall 2- jump high

 

[fishonjazz]

You're right, but the inability to show any improvement at something he has been paid to do for the last four years is a pretty good indicator of laziness. He has not improved at his profession in four years! I can say with confidence that if I was the same height as Jeremy I would absolutely crush him at basketball, and I am not very good.

He improved his jumpshot.... As had already been pointed out

 

[Mongoose]

He improved his jumpshot.... As had already been pointed out

I don't see it... In fact his shooting percentage has declined every year. Pretty drastically too.

 

[Gameface]

I don't see it... In fact his shooting percentage has declined every year. Pretty drastically too.

Could that be the result of him attempting more jumpshots?

Seriously, the guy came into the NBA a fringe player and has stayed a fringe player. Not everyone has the physical talents to contribute in the NBA, even many with the size and athleticism that would make you think they could/should be good NBA players.

I don't doubt his work ethic one bit. I'm sure if a little effort would have gotten him into the rotation he'd be in the rotation.

 

[fishonjazz]

I don't see it...

Most of us do but it seems that you really don't want to see it.

As for his field goal percentage...... You should look and see if his percentage from like 10 feet and further out has went down every year if you are questioning whether or not he has improved his outside shot, like I said he has.

And I might be wrong. I have not looked at his outside shot percentages, it just seems that from watching him play he has improved on his outside shot

 

[gregbroncs]

He has improved his jumper... His fatal flaw is he's too light in the post. He's been a fine guy to get spot minutes. He's a good dude because of the stuff he does in the community. Even as a free agent he still did the jr. Jazz tour of Podunk southern utah... That's worth 5 M right there.

I would actually rather do this type of deal with ingles though. I think he could get legit interest in free agency. We could retain him in case something good comes up in the trade deadline or during next years draft. I think you could justify it to the millers as well because he's a contributor.

I think the OP is an interesting idea with potential. I don't think I like the idea of using Ingles instead only because I see him as a better player than Evans and therefore have more interest in him sticking around than I do of having Evans stick around. The point of this seems to be we don't need the player so give them a contract that becomes easy to trade and help get a higher salary player. If that is the case you give the contract to the guy you don't really want back. I'd rather have Ingles than Evans therefore I'd prefer Evans becomes the overpaid trade bait player.
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All that said I don't see the Jazz making many big splashes this off season so I don't know if they reach the salary cap. Thereby making this whole topic irrelevant. If the Jazz sign a PG or a C that gets them to the cap then this becomes an interesting idea. I just don't think they are going to do it. I think they will attempt to fill backup PG/C through the draft or with young inexpensive players that probably won't get them to the salary cap.

 

[Nate505]

Because he can jump and draw does not make him a "good" dude. He's just as entitled as any lazy punk multimillionaire. He has done nothing to improve since being here... I used to like him, but face it, he sucks.

Lazy?

The few times he got minutes last year he made a positive impact on the court more often than not. One can say he has a low ceiling, but this criticism is grossly unfair IMO.

John Amaechi was a lazy player. Evans is not. He's not great, or may not even be long for this league, but he doesn't go out there and slack. At least not in any of the games I saw (which is all of them last season).

 

[Nate505]

I don't see it... In fact his shooting percentage has declined every year. Pretty drastically too.

It actually increased from 53% to 55% last season. But he's mostly a dunker/garbage point scorer so it doesn't mean a lot to me. He shot well his first few seasons because he didn't play that many minutes and was strictly a dunker.

I'm not trying to defend the guy a ton. He's a fringe player at best. But there's nothing wrong with fringe players as a 14th guy on a roster. It's more important they have a good work ethic and contribute well to the locker room chemistry. I think he does both.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I think the OP is an interesting idea with potential. I don't think I like the idea of using Ingles instead only because I see him as a better player than Evans and therefore have more interest in him sticking around than I do of having Evans stick around. The point of this seems to be we don't need the player so give them a contract that becomes easy to trade and help get a higher salary player. If that is the case you give the contract to the guy you don't really want back. I'd rather have Ingles than Evans therefore I'd prefer Evans becomes the overpaid trade bait player.
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All that said I don't see the Jazz making many big splashes this off season so I don't know if they reach the salary cap. Thereby making this whole topic irrelevant. If the Jazz sign a PG or a C that gets them to the cap then this becomes an interesting idea. I just don't think they are going to do it. I think they will attempt to fill backup PG/C through the draft or with young inexpensive players that probably won't get them to the salary cap.

I just don't think I'd do it if I was the Millers unless it was attached to a better player. My thinking on Ingles is that hes a decent 4th wing. If DL didn't find a deal at least I have a player... albeit an overpaid player. I think Ingles will get some interest and could see him getting a 2 or 3 year deal in the 4-6 M range. Pay him 4-5 M for one year with the idea that it gives you some flexibility and sign some Bryce Cotton type deals and you should be able to cobble together enough salary to make a deal if one presents itself. It would suck to lose a contributor, but hopefully what you are getting back is more valuable.

If the Millers would do the Jeremy deal I'd be all for it... doesn't hurt the fans one bit. I just wouldn't want to write the checks. Maybe we can keep his rights and tell him to go to China... if a deal props up he get the Keith Van Horn treatment and gets a contract just for showing up to a physical. Not sure the Chinese season ends before the trade deadline though.

 

[gregbroncs]

Lazy?

The few times he got minutes last year he made a positive impact on the court more often than not. One can say he has a low ceiling, but this criticism is grossly unfair IMO.

John Amaechi was a lazy player. Evans is not. He's not great, or may not even be long for this league, but he doesn't go out there and slack. At least not in any of the games I saw (which is all of them last season).

Not an Evans fan in the slightest. But I agree it's not right to call him lazy. He's just not very good, and doesn't have the talent to improve that much.

 

[Mongoose]

It actually increased from 53% to 55% last season. But he's mostly a dunker/garbage point scorer so it doesn't mean a lot to me. He shot well his first few seasons because he didn't play that many minutes and was strictly a dunker.

I'm not trying to defend the guy a ton. He's a fringe player at best. But there's nothing wrong with fringe players as a 14th guy on a roster. It's more important they have a good work ethic and contribute well to the locker room chemistry. I think he does both.

I really dont care, I'm just ready to move on... It doesn't matter anyway... He gone

 

[Cappy_Smurf]

Going over the cap also opens up our 5M mid-level exception, instead of 2.8M mid-level exception. In theory we can go over the limit with either Evans or Ingles. I think it will be wise for us to go over the limit with somebody. We might not need it next year(very possible with the rising cap room), but having it and not needing it sure beats not having it and needing it. Ideally we would go close to the salary cap with our other signings(free agency, trades) and then we would offer Evans and/or Ingles a contract that guarantees we go over.

Are you sure about Ingles? You have to have bird rights to be able to go over the cap to sign a player, and I don't think Ingles qualifies, unless I'm missing something.

 

[homeytennis]

Are you sure about Ingles? You have to have bird rights to be able to go over the cap to sign a player, and I don't think Ingles qualifies, unless I'm missing something.

Why not give the dough to Motum or some other fringe guy. The logic would apply.

 

[Dumb Bloke]

If Sloan were still here Jeremy would be a borderline all star. DeMarre, Millsap, Kanter, Korver... Even Al Suckerson improved when he left. Greg Miller has turned this club into a training program for other teams. Come to Utah, get PT, leave to a contender. I could build a championship from ex jazz players and botched draft picks.

 

[vegas]

It's hard to have discussions about salary cap implications and strategies when very few people begin to grasp the intricacies of the cba. I need answer 2 questions to know if this makes any sense.
1. What affect does the rising salary cap have on this?
2. What players do we possibly bring with the extra cap room that we have purchased with this move?

My brain is too full right now to figure out the above.

Edit, can we leave Jeremy out of this? He is just a pawn in this topic. It has little to do with him.

 

[gregbroncs]

If Sloan were still here Jeremy would be a borderline all star. DeMarre, Millsap, Kanter, Korver... Even Al Suckerson improved when he left. Greg Miller has turned this club into a training program for other teams. Come to Utah, get PT, leave to a contender. I could build a championship from ex jazz players and botched draft picks.

Let me know when one of them plays a "significant role" on a championship winner. Otherwise your drivel is just that. Worthless drivel.

 

[Cappy_Smurf]

I could build a championship from ex jazz players and botched draft picks.

BSD. If I had some Lincoln logs and legos, I could build a spaceship. I win.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

Here's some math on the implications of this.

Projected cap is 67.1 million

Jazz have 54.75 million if all salaries are kept.
-4.75 unguaranteed for Booker
-3.88 or so unguaranteed for the D-League fellas

Approximately a 3.4 million cap hold on Evans.

2.24 million for 12th pick (rookie scale at 120%)

Jazz have no trade exceptions. The mid level exception and cap holds and such don't go over the salary cap, so the Jazz lose those exceptions and can only sign free agents other than Evans via cap room.

With everything combined, Jazz would have 6.7 million...err....units, to spend on free agents. That's a fairly meager amount.

Renounce Evans' cap hold (thus renouncing the way the Jazz could sign him and go over the cap) and the Jazz have 10.1 million units to spend on free agents. I'd say that renouncing Evans makes keeping Booker a much likelier possibility.