I'm very happy having a team that makes the playoffs consistently even if we're not the favorites ever. I would rather us sneak in and win than be the expected winner. I want a punchers chance every year. If we don't connect, fine with me.
I'm fine with making the playoffs every year and advancing some of the time.NO ACTUAL JAZZ FAN IS FINE WITH JUST BEING DECENT!! NO FAN OF ANY TEAM IF FINE WITH THEIR TEAM BEING JUST DECENT!
The word fan is short for fanatic. So therefore if you’re fine just winning some games year in year out you aren’t a fan, you’re what’s called fair weathered. So in essence, I’m not deciding who’s a fan each individual person is I just call it as I see it.
This is a rebuilding team. So barely making the play-in only hurts this team, so no fanatic in their fan mind would want this.
Just saw this after I postedI'm very happy having a team that makes the playoffs consistently even if we're not the favorites ever. I would rather us sneak in and win than be the expected winner. I want a punchers chance every year. If we don't connect, fine with me.
You need to work on your reading comprehension.Yes, you want the jazz to not be good… heard
I'm fine with making the playoffs every year and advancing some of the time.
Well let’s keep everything into context. The jazz as constructed aren’t even there yet, so why barely make the playin where the odds of advancing to the playoffs and advancing in the playoffs are pretty low. Let alone our title chances would take an act of god.I really like winning games. If you make the playoffs a lot it means you win a lot of games. People fan differently
No I got it.You need to work on your reading comprehension.
If I say I understand the logic of the argument you are making. Will you admit that the next team that wins a title after going all out to suck and then rebuild around top draft picks, will be the first?No I got it.
You want them to make the playoffs making it harder to build a contender. I understand perfectly.
Your problem is you are trying to define who is a fan based on which strategy people support. No one here says they dont want to see the team contend or win a championship. Some people just see various different paths that could lead to that goal.NO ACTUAL JAZZ FAN IS FINE WITH JUST BEING DECENT!! NO FAN OF ANY TEAM IF FINE WITH THEIR TEAM BEING JUST DECENT!
The word fan is short for fanatic. So therefore if you’re fine just winning some games year in year out you aren’t a fan, you’re what’s called fair weathered. So in essence, I’m not deciding who’s a fan each individual person is I just call it as I see it.
This is a rebuilding team. So barely making the play-in only hurts this team, so no fanatic in their fan mind would want this.
All while our owner is demanding taxpayer money for a new arena? LolWe should have went full rebuild 2 seasons ago. There's A LOT of talk next season we WILL be going full rebuild
What's the timeframe for "in time"...The plan so far is perfect. Just avoid the John Collins trade type of mistake and the Jazz will build a contender in time.
This is pretty much what bad franchises have been doing in the league for ages... they stock up with mediocre upgrades over their youth thinking they will be able to compete(at least for playoffs) then by mid-season they realize they are actually not good enough... so they turn to tanking. This is a failure of self-scouting and a failure of projecting your strength compared to your competition. In a lot of cases this is MUCH WORSE than actually purposefully tanking. Because when you tank with purpose, you actually have a plan and you can better maximize your assets and reset the timelines of expected contention. But when you are doing what we are doing, this is not a plan... this is a failure turned into a last resort. This was Sacramento's special for 15 years before their recent rise to semi-success. They think they can compete, they make stupid decisions incongruent with the big picture of their roster, they are wrong... turn into tanking half-way through the season. Pick 6-10 in perpetuity! Rinse and repeat.I’ve always believed that having the star players is more of a power position than having whatever picks/assets you get for trading him. We should keep Lauri, having Lauri on our team is a privilege.
Having said that, I also don’t believe in wasting a player’s prime nor do I believe with trying to compete for a half a year only to quit and tank for the other half. By doing this, the Jazz have essentially limited the rewards for trying to win or lose. The goal for winning is the play in. The goal for tanking is to get the 9th pick. Not a ton of reward either way.
They may have squeezed out some extra value by waiting (or they may have lost some), but that comes at a cost of pissing off Lauri after lying to him. If the Jazz want to do Lauri+young players, I think that is fine. If that’s what the FO wants, do it. But actually do it. Don’t play half a season and then quit. Do not go after John Collins if your plan was to not compete. What they’re doing does not install a lot of confidence in me. Either #1, they totally went against their plan of Lauri+youngins and delayed their tank or #2 they actually thought they had a winner and now they’ve pivoted to tanking bc winning didn’t work. Either they had a plan all along but executed poorly or they had a bad plan, it didn’t work, then they switched it.
My first choice would be to move forward with Lauri and build around him. My second choice would be to move him and start over. My least favorite choice is to keep Lauri, but basically operate as if he’s not there and repeatedly wave the middle finger at him.
Good lord man. Step back from the keyboard.What's the timeframe for "in time"...
This is pretty much what bad franchises have been doing in the league for ages... they stock up with mediocre upgrades over their youth thinking they will be able to compete(at least for playoffs) then by mid-season they realize they are actually not good enough... so they turn to tanking. This is a failure of self-scouting and a failure of projecting your strength compared to your competition. In a lot of cases this is MUCH WORSE than actually purposefully tanking. Because when you tank with purpose, you actually have a plan and you can better maximize your assets and reset the timelines of expected contention. But when you are doing what we are doing, this is not a plan... this is a failure turned into a last resort. This was Sacramento's special for 15 years before their recent rise to semi-success. They think they can compete, they make stupid decisions incongruent with the big picture of their roster, they are wrong... turn into tanking half-way through the season. Pick 6-10 in perpetuity! Rinse and repeat.