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Hantlers said:
What's wrong with what Broussard said?

Is he not allowed to have an opinion on the matter? He wasn't exactly criticizing homosexuals, he was explaining his view on it.
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Huh? You serious? Calling someone a sinner isn't a criticism? Oh I get it, he was explaining why he thinks gays are immoral sinners acting in an "open rebellion to God".
 
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

I have no problem with him being gay. That's his business. But the dude is simply a washed-up vet. We need a 3rd DECENT big (assuming neither Al nor Paul return...and PLEASE don't resign either, Mr's. O'Connor and Lindsey). We need a big with upside. If we draft a young guy, then go out and get a veteran big who can put up decent numbers for 20 mins/per or make an emergency start if/when Kanters or Favors misses a game. Jazz have cap space; they could even sign a solid big for $8-$10M to a one-year deal. Jason is NOT the answer.
 
Sneakers said:
Huh? You serious? Calling someone a sinner isn't a criticism? Oh I get it, he was explaining why he thinks gays are immoral sinners acting in an "open rebellion to God".
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Boussard wasn't criticizing Collins for being gay. He was criticizing Collins saying that he still is a Christian as an active gay person.
 
He was criticizing him for both. He still thinks of gays as sinners whether or not they consider themselves Christian.
 
Sneakers said:
Huh? You serious? Calling someone a sinner isn't a criticism? Oh I get it, he was explaining why he thinks gays are immoral sinners acting in an "open rebellion to God".
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It's his view that homosexuality is a sin. Broussard has the right to have that opinion and express that opinion. Just as you or anyone else has the right to express a counter-opinion. It may be extreme, but there's a little thing called the First Amendment that guarantees him that right, especially if he is ASKED for his opinion. It's funny that no one is reacting as strongly to those who have expressed their strong support for Collins, even though it may run contrary to their personal beliefs.
 
MoTown16 said:
It's his view that homosexuality is a sin. Broussard has the right to have that opinion and express that opinion. Just as you or anyone else has the right to express a counter-opinion. It may be extreme, but there's a little thing called the First Amendment that guarantees him that right, especially if he is ASKED for his opinion. It's funny that no one is reacting as strongly to those who have expressed their strong support for Collins, even though it may run contrary to their personal beliefs.
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Don't be a dork. Of course this guy has a right to an opinion. But it's totally wrong to say he wasn't being critical of Collins. And that's all I said. So what the **** are you lecturing me about?
 
ESPN is taking this a little too far. On the NBA part of ESPN.com, it says, Jason Collins: An NBA Legend
 
MoTown16 said:
It's his view that homosexuality is a sin. Broussard has the right to have that opinion and express that opinion. Just as you or anyone else has the right to express a counter-opinion. It may be extreme, but there's a little thing called the First Amendment that guarantees him that right, especially if he is ASKED for his opinion. It's funny that no one is reacting as strongly to those who have expressed their strong support for Collins, even though it may run contrary to their personal beliefs.
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There's also a little thing called public opinion that guarantees that people who say bigoted, hurtful, or ignorant things, or who inappropriately seek to impose their religious belief on others get criticized for doing so.

We've reached the point in the development of our society (or I like to think that we have) that "sin" or perceived sinfulness IS NOT sufficient justification for denying anybody anything outside of full faith and membership in private religious organizations that still worry about sin. Sin is a wholly religious concept and thus has, in my opinion, no place in secular public discourse within a pluralistic society. Broussard is free as he wants to talk about sin when he goes to Church or is discoursing with his fellow religious adherents, but where it comes to the NBA, or secular life in general, he should keep this particular opinion to himself, unless he can find some way to articulate his argument in non-religious terms.
 
jumpin bean said:
I dont care if someone is gay,but I would feel uncomfortable taking a shower while they are staring at my junk.why not let the men shower with the cheerleaders,its the same difference.
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1) If it were a common cultural practice to shower with the opposite sex, there wouldn't be much staring.
2) You've been showering with gay men most of your life anyhow. Did it ever bother you before?
 
One Brow said:
1) If it were a common cultural practice to shower with the opposite sex, there wouldn't be much staring.
2) You've been showering with gay men most of your life anyhow. Did it ever bother you before?
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Why are you showering with jumpin bean?
 
jimmy eat jazz said:
In normal situation I would agree 100%. But I see this as different/unique case. Signing Collins to a minimum contract to occupy 12th man on bench can be a powerful/useful statement to the rest of the league by whoever choose to do it. Plus the demonstration effect showing that having openly gay player does not cause the disruption some fear would also be useful. Plus, let's face it, the 12th man isn't going to play or contribute on the court anyway, so why stress over signing someone who's a marginal player (the 12th man is by definition anyway), but he can contribute in other important ways. I don't see this has any risk of becoming a trend (signing player cause he's gay), but doing so in this case has implications beyond the normal situation. Kudos to the team that does it, in my opinion.
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We are here to win basketball games. Not sign a guy just because of his personal sexual preference or exclude guys for that matter. The only thing that matters in this discussion is that Collins is a terrible basketball player by NBA terms. If he wasn't, I would be all for signing him. However, he is. There is no reason to waste a roster spot on this guy.
 
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