So a year from now...

[idestroyedthetoilet]

You're kidding right? Republicans and conservatives have been the "nice guys" for way too long. Mitt Romney is the perfect example. Worst representative of Utah in a very long time. Always trying compromise with liberals, when liberals would kill him in a heartbeat if it would get them a win. Conservatives must fight before we completely lose the country.

I heard this from Rush Limbaugh 20 years ago. He had probably been chanting this call to arms for 20 more years before. The problem with this is not all republicans are conservative and conservatives don’t have monopoly on the party. Trump isn’t a conservative, he’s a populist.

Ruling by dictate is not conservative. Dictate strategic crypto reserve. Dictate end of NAFTA. Dictate private organization DOGE recommendations, against congressional mandates and rule of law. Supreme Court telling him no, no. Will he listen?
Open grift is not conservative. Crypto reserve grift for buddies. Pay to play dinners.
Humiliating Zelenskyy is not conservative. Requiring everyone to beg and grovel for favor is not conservative.
Selective, special tax loopholes such as tips and social security is not conservative. Standardized, fair tax policy is.
Tariffs are not conservative. Implementing them by pride and whim is not conservative.
Licking boots of dictators is not conservative.
Reneging on our promise to Ukraine is not conservative.
Proposing a budget that hollows out the tax base is not conservative.
Weaponizing the federal government to go after institutions, corporations, and citizens who have offended you is not conservative.

What has your fighting accomplished other than these anti-conservative ends? Republicans didn’t actually win as much as the DNC screwed up royally and gift wrapped a red wave. All this referendum on woke & DEI, it’s a feel good story to some but the bottom line is 20,000,000 democrats stayed home and another 20,000,000 moderate republicans were disgusted by the DNC’s attempts to subvert the democratic process and stayed home.

If gutting conservatism and using lawfare to achieve your ends is winning then have fun. It’ll only last two years before the tide turns and everything is undone and then some. This whole situation is built on Trump so it’s built on sand. It will wash away quicker than it was built. Then what of your preference for fighting and disrespecting and mocking instead of making your case with dignity in the court of public opinion?

 

[idestroyedthetoilet]

Agreed. And when they bring the fight back they increase their fire power, hence Trump and project 2025. This along with everything Bourdain bright up is the cause for sure. Now what's the solution? How does Humpty Dumpty get put back together? That's the nearly impossible challenge right now and I think all of the above, knowing they brought this on themselves, is why the Democrats are struggling with a meaningful response. Because it means putting their standard moral-high-ground responses on the shelf, and even backpedaling when necessary, to gain any traction. And they just have no idea how to do any of that. They are still worked about making their hair and makeup look just so before leaving the burning house.

People aren’t stupid or naive. Trump does all the damage the dems need. He can’t help himself. His Nixonesque paranoia will get the better of him, and his Neville Chamberlain appeasement will not sit well. The gutless republicans afraid to speak out will be thrown out.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

...and his Neville Chamberlain appeasement will not sit well.

Yes, that is exactly what Canada and Mexico are thinking right now, that Trump is too eager to appease. The same goes for the Democrat Party who are in dismay at how much Trump is trying to appease them.

 

[PJF]

I heard this from Rush Limbaugh 20 years ago. He had probably been chanting this call to arms for 20 more years before. The problem with this is not all republicans are conservative and conservatives don’t have monopoly on the party. Trump isn’t a conservative, he’s a populist.

Ruling by dictate is not conservative. Dictate strategic crypto reserve. Dictate end of NAFTA. Dictate private organization DOGE recommendations, against congressional mandates and rule of law. Supreme Court telling him no, no. Will he listen?
Open grift is not conservative. Crypto reserve grift for buddies. Pay to play dinners.
Humiliating Zelenskyy is not conservative. Requiring everyone to beg and grovel for favor is not conservative.
Selective, special tax loopholes such as tips and social security is not conservative. Standardized, fair tax policy is.
Tariffs are not conservative. Implementing them by pride and whim is not conservative.
Licking boots of dictators is not conservative.
Reneging on our promise to Ukraine is not conservative.
Proposing a budget that hollows out the tax base is not conservative.
Weaponizing the federal government to go after institutions, corporations, and citizens who have offended you is not conservative.

What has your fighting accomplished other than these anti-conservative ends? Republicans didn’t actually win as much as the DNC screwed up royally and gift wrapped a red wave. All this referendum on woke & DEI, it’s a feel good story to some but the bottom line is 20,000,000 democrats stayed home and another 20,000,000 moderate republicans were disgusted by the DNC’s attempts to subvert the democratic process and stayed home.

If gutting conservatism and using lawfare to achieve your ends is winning then have fun. It’ll only last two years before the tide turns and everything is undone and then some. This whole situation is built on Trump so it’s built on sand. It will wash away quicker than it was built. Then what of your preference for fighting and disrespecting and mocking instead of making your case with dignity in the court of public opinion?

When did you become a flaming liberal?

 

[idestroyedthetoilet]

Yes, that is exactly what Canada and Mexico are thinking right now, that Trump is too eager to appease. The same goes for the Democrat Party who are in dismay at how much Trump is trying to appease them.

You’ll have to come up with a better example than Trump bullying smaller, weaker countries. Unless you’re trying to display his paranoia. Fentanyl from Canada LMAO. speaking of, why can’t conservatives accept responsibility for America’s drug problems? Isn’t accepting responsibility a conservative ideal?

Do you agree with Trump bullying the weak? What about him freezing aid to Ukraine and cutting them off from intel sharing and satellite data. Do you agree with that because you have Ukraine’s best interest at heart like you claim? Does strengthening Russia’s military power by weakening Ukraine, making Ukrainian military members more vulnerable to air attacks and hastening Russia’s murder toll somehow benefit Ukraine?

Trump is causing Ukrainian casualties. By supporting Trump, you are by extension supporting hastening Ukraine’s demise. Are you going to be an honorable conservative and honestly own your stance here, or are you going to renounce these vile actions by Trump?

 

[idestroyedthetoilet]

When did you become a flaming liberal?

Why do you pretend to be a conservative? No conservative would claim this is her country that she must fight citizens to keep from losing it. Nor would they support the list of dictates above. Shall I start spamming articles from real conservatives over at Mises.org?

 

[Al-O-Meter]

Are you going to be an honorable conservative and honestly own your stance here

I own my stance here 1000%.

If not giving our weapons to Ukraine, and not giving our intelligence products to Ukraine is what it takes to stop Zelensky working against the peace process, then yes I support those actions. It is time to end the dying and destruction. I think the Ukrainian people have won their war and should be very proud of winning against overwhelming odds in a fight most thought they'd lose quickly. I support the people of Ukraine living in the nation their victory ensured. I do not support Zelensky continuing to send people off to die in some mad effort to avenge all those who died before them. It is time to take the 'W' and rebuild.

 

[str8line]

I own my stance here 1000%.

If not giving our weapons to Ukraine, and not giving our intelligence products to Ukraine is what it takes to stop Zelensky working against the peace process, then yes I support those actions. It is time to end the dying and destruction. I think the Ukrainian people have won their war and should be very proud of winning against overwhelming odds in a fight most thought they'd lose quickly. I support the people of Ukraine living in the nation their victory ensured. I do not support Zelensky continuing to send people off to die in some mad effort to avenge all those who died before them. It is time to take the 'W' and rebuild.

Your stance? I'd wager you can't stand on one foot for more than 15 seconds. I'd actually bet a decent sum you're a slovenly crumb who's never had a love interest. Trump is your retribution. He's your payback to the world for your suffering.

Ukraine won't give away 20% of their country. That's not peace, moron. Peace is Russia getting the **** out of Ukraine and paying for all of the death and destruction they've caused.

 

[fishonjazz]

I own my stance here 1000%.

If not giving our weapons to Ukraine, and not giving our intelligence products to Ukraine is what it takes to stop Zelensky working against the peace process, then yes I support those actions. It is time to end the dying and destruction. I think the Ukrainian people have won their war and should be very proud of winning against overwhelming odds in a fight most thought they'd lose quickly. I support the people of Ukraine living in the nation their victory ensured. I do not support Zelensky continuing to send people off to die in some mad effort to avenge all those who died before them. It is time to take the 'W' and rebuild.

If your stance is that you want the war to end by zelensky agreeing to a peace deal and you support the people of Ukraine living in the nation their victory ensured then you should have posted that you think trump should include security guarantees in the peace deal by now.

Your "stance" is a hollow lie though.

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[Red]

That is what the word 'fascist' means. The two things all fascism has in common are totalitarian dictatorship and nationalized economy. It is what you said.

I’m just going to post a far better way of determining whether or not Trump is a fascist. For others in this forum who may not realize just how much Trump thinks and talks in a manner that does identify him as fascistic in world view.





View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUW1lCkplSw

 

[fishonjazz]

I’m just going to post a far better way of determining whether or not Trump is a fascist. For others in this forum who may not realize just how much Trump thinks and talks in a manner that does identify him as fascistic in world view.




View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XTJNy_OrjE

I mean its pretty obvious. Those who haven't got it by now, never will.

 

[Red]

I mean its pretty obvious. Those who haven't got it by now, never will.

Exactly.

 

[fishonjazz]

Saw this comment:
Why would Zelensky agree to yet another peace agreement? There have been 12 agreed upon, signed by both parties, agreements, with the first being put into place in 2012. Each and every time, Putin has broken the terms by sending troops into Ukraine unprovoked. Multiple countries have mediated these agreements, the US included. The definition of insanity "doing the same thing over and over again but expecting a different result". Why would he have any faith any agreement would be honored?And the agreement proposed by Trump does not have anywhere near favorable terms for his country- The US gets the rights to not only minerals and rare earth, but ALL other natural resources to the amount of 500 billion dollars. Russia gets Ukraines land. There is no guarantee the US will provide assistance to them against Russia, and any assistance provided must be paid back double (2 dollars for every 1 dollar) - The deal will put his citizens in debt for the next decade, and the country will still not have any guarantees of sovereignty. If our president agreed to a deal like that, we would impeach him.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

I’m just going to post a far better way of determining whether or not Trump is a fascist. For others in this forum who may not realize just how much Trump thinks and talks in a manner that does identify him as fascistic in world view.





View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUW1lCkplSw

This is garbage content for people who want their views affirmed. All of those videos rely on redefining fascism into terms so generic that literally any government on earth through all of human history could be considered fascist. Some of them are so retarded as to go with the argument that leader of this government once made a speech using a sentence that was similar to a sentence used by another leader of a fascist government and so fascism. It is content meant to appeal to morons.

Fascism is a form of socialism with a top-down controlled economy. The United States ain't that and we aren't headed in that direction.

 

[LogGrad98]

I’m just going to post a far better way of determining whether or not Trump is a fascist. For others in this forum who may not realize just how much Trump thinks and talks in a manner that does identify him as fascistic in world view.





View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUW1lCkplSw

I mean its pretty obvious. Those who haven't got it by now, never will.

Fish is spot on. The response from all the true believer cult followers (TBCF's) is the ever-unassailable "NUH-UH" always in all caps. It negates anything you care to say about it, regardless of source. And as more real republicans speak out the response there is "they are bought off by the leftist billionaires, it's all lies and fake news", followed by the standard "NUH-UH". Their faith is unshakable.

 

[LogGrad98]

Saw this comment:
Why would Zelensky agree to yet another peace agreement? There have been 12 agreed upon, signed by both parties, agreements, with the first being put into place in 2012. Each and every time, Putin has broken the terms by sending troops into Ukraine unprovoked. Multiple countries have mediated these agreements, the US included. The definition of insanity "doing the same thing over and over again but expecting a different result". Why would he have any faith any agreement would be honored?And the agreement proposed by Trump does not have anywhere near favorable terms for his country- The US gets the rights to not only minerals and rare earth, but ALL other natural resources to the amount of 500 billion dollars. Russia gets Ukraines land. There is no guarantee the US will provide assistance to them against Russia, and any assistance provided must be paid back double (2 dollars for every 1 dollar) - The deal will put his citizens in debt for the next decade, and the country will still not have any guarantees of sovereignty. If our president agreed to a deal like that, we would impeach him.

Yeah and our president is the one proposing the deal. He should be impeached.

 

[idestroyedthetoilet]

I own my stance here 1000%.

If not giving our weapons to Ukraine, and not giving our intelligence products to Ukraine is what it takes to stop Zelensky working against the peace process, then yes I support those actions. It is time to end the dying and destruction. I think the Ukrainian people have won their war and should be very proud of winning against overwhelming odds in a fight most thought they'd lose quickly. I support the people of Ukraine living in the nation their victory ensured. I do not support Zelensky continuing to send people off to die in some mad effort to avenge all those who died before them. It is time to take the 'W' and rebuild.

This is disgusting and repulsive. I’ve had vehement disagreements with people on here yet still think of them as good people acting in good faith. This however is vile and deserves to be called what it is. How any citizen of the free world can support the continued slaughter of innocents, support bullying tactics after reneging on a guarantee, support a stance that emboldens a war criminal who’s actions are causing rape and murder and kidnapping children, and support removal of critical aid knowing full well it will accelerate the rapping and murdering, and accept those lives as collateral damage as you wash your hands clean of it is beyond comprehension. You aren’t suing for peace you are suing for a broken stop gap measure and crying about the teeny tiny “cost”, a cost that hasn’t raised taxes one penny. Your continuous spin, mostly butchered forms of Russia propaganda is weak and transparent. Your butchering and reversing of terms like “warmonger” and “dictator” beyond recognition is not persuading anyone.

You disgust me.

 

[idestroyedthetoilet]

I’m just going to post a far better way of determining whether or not Trump is a fascist. For others in this forum who may not realize just how much Trump thinks and talks in a manner that does identify him as fascistic in world view.





View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUW1lCkplSw

We are clearly in a constitutional crisis. The only question is if the pretend conservatives will wake up before it’s too late. The democrats allowed and promoted abuse of executive power which has turned into Trump acting as dictator. There is no other description for him now.

You want DoE, SNAP, USAID, etc removed? Get it done properly through congress not dictate. Those cheering these actions are anti-democracy and anti-US constitution.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

How any citizen of the free world can support the continued slaughter of innocents

I'm the one who wants the war to end. Our weapons systems and our intelligence products are the best in the world but they are not as effective at preventing people from getting killed as a negotiator who can convince an enemy to stop firing off weapons of war.

There are plenty of American weapons in Ukraine now, and still a missile fired by Russia hit a hotel and killed at least four people. Do you think the families of those four people are happier with the American weapons in the country but their family members dead, or do you think they would have preferred the missile to have never been fired and their family members be alive due to a cease fire being in place? I think they'd prefer the latter.

How many more? How many more? How many more?

 

[Sardines]

Fighting back?

This is disgusting and repulsive. I’ve had vehement disagreements with people on here yet still think of them as good people acting in good faith. This however is vile and deserves to be called what it is. How any citizen of the free world can support the continued slaughter of innocents, support bullying tactics after reneging on a guarantee, support a stance that emboldens a war criminal who’s actions are causing rape and murder and kidnapping children, and support removal of critical aid knowing full well it will accelerate the rapping and murdering, and accept those lives as collateral damage as you wash your hands clean of it is beyond comprehension. You aren’t suing for peace you are suing for a broken stop gap measure and crying about the teeny tiny “cost”, a cost that hasn’t raised taxes one penny. Your continuous spin, mostly butchered forms of Russia propaganda is weak and transparent. Your butchering and reversing of terms like “warmonger” and “dictator” beyond recognition is not persuading anyone.

You disgust me.

That's been my experience with AI. Mostly reasonable conversation, more mostly reasonable conversation, more mostly reasonable conversation, BOOM absolutely disgusting post.