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So glad we don’t have to deal with this anymore ……

The Thriller said:
Why did Cleveland even make this deal? If they can’t build around him because he’s going to bail and they aren’t currently contenders, why did they trade for him?
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They thought he was a #1 option in a championship team and the missing piece. Only problem is that there has only been 1 guard in the past 12 years who led his team to the title as the best player in the team and thats Steph.

The complete list of short guards to ever win the title as #1 option is very short. In fact the entire list of 6'1" or shorter finals MVPs in NBA history is this:

Isiah Thomas

So following that logic they still need the #1 option, or at least a very dominant frontcourt player.
 
HermanG said:
They thought he was a #1 option in a championship team and the missing piece. Only problem is that there has only been 1 guard in the past 12 years who led his team to the title as the best player in the team and thats Steph.

The complete list of short guards to ever win the title as #1 option is very short. In fact the entire list of 6'1" or shorter finals MVPs in NBA history is this:

Isiah Thomas

So following that logic they still need the #1 option, or at least a very dominant frontcourt player.
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They’re dumber than Minny then and I agree that they may have ****ed up worse than the Gobert trade. That team wasn’t close to contention. I think their backcourt is okay. But everything else sucks. Their bigs were worthless, not even close to what Gobert, Favors, or even Whiteside could produce. Prime Lebron might put that team into contention. But Spida ain’t prime Lebron. He’s very good though. I think people are going overboard in bashing him. He’s a top scorer in the league. He’s poor man’s AI. But he needs other players.
 
The Thriller said:
They’re dumber than Minny then and I agree that they may have ****ed up worse than the Gobert trade. That team wasn’t close to contention. I think their backcourt is okay. But everything else sucks. Their bigs were worthless, not even close to what Gobert, Favors, or even Whiteside could produce. Prime Lebron might put that team into contention. But Spida ain’t prime Lebron. He’s very good though. I think people are going overboard in bashing him. He’s a top scorer in the league. He’s poor man’s AI. But he needs other players.
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They overvalued Allen and expected Mobley to take a huge leap offensively. Now Mobley wasnt bad last year but he didnt really take that leap either. Allen was pretty trash though.

Maybe Evan figures it out and they got a proper 1-2 punch. A pair of guards, no matter how good they are, are not winning 4 straight playoff series for you.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Oh but we still do get to deal with it... kinda... in that they make short term signings that may look rough to be all-in... and when he still doesn't extend and they take .50 on the dollar we get to benefit.

Depending on how this plays out and how Edwards develops with Minny.... the Cleveland picks could very well be more juicy than the Minny picks.
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I do believe that will end up being the case. Even if Minnesota trades KAT thry should still be pretty competitive. Maybe better as ANT would be the sole face of the franchise.
 
The Thriller said:
They’re dumber than Minny then and I agree that they may have ****ed up worse than the Gobert trade. That team wasn’t close to contention. I think their backcourt is okay. But everything else sucks. Their bigs were worthless, not even close to what Gobert, Favors, or even Whiteside could produce. Prime Lebron might put that team into contention. But Spida ain’t prime Lebron. He’s very good though. I think people are going overboard in bashing him. He’s a top scorer in the league. He’s poor man’s AI. But he needs other players.
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There bigs are very good. Mobley is going to be a monster and Allen is really good as well. It is crazy that so many people seem to want to write them off as nothing when they really aren't far away from being a legit contender. If Mobley takes the jump that I expect this year then they will firmly be in the conversation to come out of the east.
 
sip said:
There bigs are very good. Mobley is going to be a monster and Allen is really good as well. It is crazy that so many people seem to want to write them off as nothing when they really aren't far away from being a legit contender. If Mobley takes the jump that I expect this year then they will firmly be in the conversation to come out of the east.
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I'm not convinced Mobley is going to be a "monster". I think he could cap out at just being a very good starter. I dont think he is overrated, but I think his potential got overstated.
 
sip said:
There bigs are very good. Mobley is going to be a monster and Allen is really good as well. It is crazy that so many people seem to want to write them off as nothing when they really aren't far away from being a legit contender. If Mobley takes the jump that I expect this year then they will firmly be in the conversation to come out of the east.
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Allen good? Cavs fans seem to want him out pretty bad, and based on what I saw last year he just feels too soft to be a really solid center.

Also his playoff numbers were horrid vs Knicks. Didnt even reach 10/8. Game 4&5 vs Knicks he got a total of 18 points and 8 boards (in 76 minutes) while Mitchell Robinson produced 25 points and 29 boards for the Knicks in those same games.
 
MT Steve said:
It doesn't help that he's playing with two guards who, between them, average over 50 FGA per 100 possessions.
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The guards arent really the issue. It's the fact he can't shoot and he plays next to a big who also cant shoot.
 
HermanG said:
Allen good? Cavs fans seem to want him out pretty bad, and based on what I saw last year he just feels too soft to be a really solid center.

Also his playoff numbers were horrid vs Knicks. Didnt even reach 10/8. Game 4&5 vs Knicks he got a total of 18 points and 8 boards (in 76 minutes) while Mitchell Robinson produced 25 points and 29 boards for the Knicks in those same games.
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Allen is definitely good and I'm not sure where you are getting that cavs fans want him gone. Also one mediocre playoff series doesn't mean much of anything.
 
sip said:
Allen is definitely good and I'm not sure where you are getting that cavs fans want him gone. Also one mediocre playoff series doesn't mean much of anything.
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I think he looks like a good player, but I don't see him as much of a difference-maker. I feel he is pretty overrated.
 
Also, is Mobley and Allen a good front court combo? None of them can shoot, after all.
 
hgb said:
I think he looks like a good player, but I don't see him as much of a difference-maker. I feel he is pretty overrated.
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Most guys that are solid bigs aren't a difference maker in the sense that they won't have a star player impact. He just needs to continue being the player he has been for the last 3 years while they really need Mobley to be the guy that steps up and becomes the difference maker. At some point they may decide though that they need to break up the Allen Mobley pairing at which point I'm sure there will be plenty of teams that want Allen.
 
sip said:
Most guys that are solid bigs aren't a difference maker in the sense that they won't have a star player impact. He just needs to continue being the player he has been for the last 3 years while they really need Mobley to be the guy that steps up and becomes the difference maker. At some point they may decide though that they need to break up the Allen Mobley pairing at which point I'm sure there will be plenty of teams that want Allen.
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Yeah, for sure he's a very useful player, even with how the league changes. Can't shake the feeling that a team built around two very similar small guards and two fairly similar bigs will have problems, though.
 
hgb said:
Yeah, for sure he's a very useful player, even with how the league changes. Can't shake the feeling that a team built around two very similar small guards and two fairly similar bigs will have problems, though.
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I think the biggest issue for them is figuring out something at sf to bridge the weaknesses for the bigs and guards. I was pretty high on Okoro going into last year as being that type of sf but he was terrible to start the year and even though he picked it up a little as the year went on he was non existent plenty of games and still not particularly good when he put up numbers. With Strus and Niang they are at least giving themselves more options at the 3 spot and both guys are a big upgrade shooting the ball.
 
The Thriller said:
They’re dumber than Minny then and I agree that they may have ****ed up worse than the Gobert trade. That team wasn’t close to contention. I think their backcourt is okay. But everything else sucks. Their bigs were worthless, not even close to what Gobert, Favors, or even Whiteside could produce. Prime Lebron might put that team into contention. But Spida ain’t prime Lebron. He’s very good though. I think people are going overboard in bashing him. He’s a top scorer in the league. He’s poor man’s AI. But he needs other players.
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Don't fool yourself, the Gorbert trade will go down as the worst trade in history.
 
One Brow said:
Whose Gorbert?

Seriously, it doesn't make the top 5 (the trades of rookies/picks don't really count).

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Lol Turdbert whatever he is a scrub... Ainge thought he sucked and was overpaid and traded his overrated azz. And thank goodness he did. Kessler already brings more to our team than he did.
 
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