So, I've criticized Hayward for not producing when we need him to...

[GVC]

Choosing a null is not about what makes more sense, it's about determining whether an effect is statistically significant. If "clutchness" exists, but can be separated from random variation, it may as well not exist. You always choose the null as saying there is not noticeable effect.

This is beside the point. Concluding that there is no clutch because you have no good evidence that clutch exists is not any more reasonable than concluding that there is clutch because you have no good evidence that clutch doesn't exist. That there exists a very poorly conducted "study" shouldn't have any bearing on anything.

 

[akirac73]

Shooting oneself is not always the correct play to make down the stretch. Too many people overlook this. Lebron happily passed to an open Ray Allen many times last season for a clutch shot because he was making the right play.

I like how you use passing to Ray Allen as good example for not taking more shots. If we had a lights out shooter like that on the Jazz, I'd be perfectly happy with Hayward shooting zero times in the 4th in lieu of deferring/passing the ball to Ray Allen.

 

[One Brow]

Typos aside, I certainly don't agree that you "always choose the null as saying there is not noticeable effect." For all sorts of theoretical/structural reasons, null hypotheses different than beta = 0 are chosen.

If you are certain an effect exists, you could certain choose to test on the size of the effect.

I agree we should be agnostic on the existence of clutchness, barring evidence.

 

[8]

I like how you use passing to Ray Allen as good example for not taking more shots. If we had a lights out shooter like that on the Jazz, I'd be perfectly happy with Hayward shooting zero times in the 4th in lieu of deferring/passing the ball to Ray Allen.

Yes! And it would be equally awesome to have someone with Lebron James' playmaking ability. Someday...

Hayward is what he is. The defense is tighter when the game is on the line and he uses what he's got to try and make the right play. I don't think him turning it over or missing a shot is 'choking' or cracking under pressure. He can only play to the finitude of his game. Not to mention the spacing problems the Jazz have when their best shooter is forced to be a playmaker and there is little playmaking help elsewhere

 

[GVC]

If you are certain an effect exists, you could certain choose to test on the size of the effect.

I agree we should be agnostic on the existence of clutchness, barring evidence.

I think I've sufficiently edited away my gaffes (at least in my most recent post)...

 

[fishonjazz]

I watched the game closely last night to see if I could see why he always starts strong and seems to fade out throughout the game. After last nights game my observation was the problem I noticed...? Alec Burks... As soon as he comes into the game the offense just dies. He is like the SG version of Al Jefferson. Ball movement stops, Alec dribbles around until he finds a 21' jump shot. I really like Burks, but after watching him closely this year I'm starting to see he is a black hole on offense. He seems to really bee trying to get better and passing the ball more, but he forces too much and takes a bad shot or makes a horrible pass for a turnover.

I think Hayward gets a bad wrap because people think he wants max money and are treating as if he is already being paid that much. But there is no doubt that when the ball is in Hayward's hands the ball moves and flows a lot better. As many people have said though, he is definitely not a #1 option on a good team so I think the tank is actually going quite well and I hope to grab that stud #1 in the draft.

Obviously these are my observations and opinions and could be completely wrong. Just what I have noticed after watching closely this season.

Burks took 9 shots last night and had zero turnovers.

Get glasses

 

[akirac73]

Yes! And it would be equally awesome to have someone with Lebron James' playmaking ability. Someday...

Hayward is what he is. The defense is tighter when the game is on the line and he uses what he's got to try and make the right play. I don't think him turning it over or missing a shot is 'choking' or cracking under pressure. He can only play to the finitude of his game. Not to mention the spacing problems the Jazz have when their best shooter is forced to be a playmaker and there is little playmaking help elsewhere

I agree. That is why I was hoping Hayward worked in the offseason on ways to create his own shot (floater, pull-up jumper, back to the basket game to take advantage of smaller players, etc.) It appears he did none of that...

 

[Doublea]

Burks took 9 shots last night and had zero turnovers.

Get glasses

People keep complaining about burks, but really he isn't as ball hog everyone thinks he is. The problem is he takes some ill advised shots. Though I personally would rather see him shoot then any of the other guys besides the other core 4.

 

[8]

I agree. That is why I was hoping Hayward worked in the offseason on ways to create his own shot (floater, pull-up jumper, back to the basket game to take advantage of smaller players, etc.) It appears he did none of that...

Yes you are spot on, he desperately needs to add these things. Although the post-up game would not be very beneficial this year due to the lack of floor spacing around him. When the team is better, Hayward could be a good option in the post.