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Soccer referee in coma after being punched by unhappy teenager player.

bigb said:
Umm, I lived in Central America and never saw or heard of any of the stuff you just mentioned. I lived down the street from the National Stadium in Honduras and can honestly say that I witnessed NONE of that stuff while I was there. But keep making stereotypical arguments.
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Exception to the rule I guess.
 
MoTown16 said:
If this is the case, the leagues should be prohibited from playing on public fields. I'm actively involved in AYSO in So CA. If we leave trash on the HS, Jr. High or elementary school fields, we hear about it. In fact, at the end of each Sat., I guarantee you the division reps are walking the fields cleaning up. Players, coaches and parents are required to sign code of conduct forms. Each team provides "field monitors" for games before or after theirs. If there are problems with parents, the FM will call over the AYSO representative. Parents, players and coaches can be and have been banned for a few games or entire seasons. Sounds like this latino league needs to be have their playing permits revoked.
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Utah schools are so desperate for money they really don't care.

Besides, only the students, coaches, and those actually using those fields will ever care.

So Cal is a lil different because the nicest schools and fields are owned by private institutions. Not the case here in Utah where the only private schools that anyone ever cares about is Juan Diego and BYU.

Provo High School in the past has donated their facilities to BYU sports. Guess what happens to the fields?
Provo High School currently lets latino leagues tear up their facilities on weekends. Yeah, a few students each year suffer knee and ankle injuries due to holes. A few classes have even been canceled due to the fields being destroyed so badly. Instead of actually having a PE class the PE classes are used to clean the fields. Yay, play janitor and groundskeeper for 80 minutes because of irresponsible and selfish Latino soccer leagues on Saturday and Sunday!

But ultimately, the public just doesn't care. Ultimately, the money they gain by these leagues is deemed more important by the principal and superintendent. The only alternative is to raise taxes/push through a bond. We all know that is a huge nono.
 
Gameface said:
Well I was always short and skinny growing up (people always called me "skinny bones" as a taunt) so people often made the mistake of thinking I was an easy target. I had a three warning rule where is tell them to leave me alone then I'd punch them in the face. Can't remember one time where my plea to be left alone was respected. I also can't remember as single time when someone tried to **** with me again after I punched them in the face.
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One advantage, I guess, you have is that you were smaller and hitting a larger person. When a larger person (in this case the teenager was heavier than the ref) hits a smaller person the punch has more force. Combined with it being a sucker punch, and well, death can happen.

There is definitely some bad luck and circumstance in why the guy died, but ultimately he died because some dumb kid couldn't control his temper and cheap shotted someone smaller than him in the head. This isn't even a fight that went wrong, this was a cheap shot that went wrong, so I don't have much sympathy for this kid if he gets the proverbial book thrown at him.
 
bigb said:
Umm, I lived in Central America and never saw or heard of any of the stuff you just mentioned. I lived down the street from the National Stadium in Honduras and can honestly say that I witnessed NONE of that stuff while I was there. But keep making stereotypical arguments.
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While I never saw full scale riots I had people threaten my with things from robber to death when the US played Honduras. Anytime the national chanmpionship game was played some people celebrated by firing weapons. Ive also seen a couple fights break out between two groups of fans.
 
Nate505 said:
One advantage, I guess, you have is that you were smaller and hitting a larger person. When a larger person (in this case the teenager was heavier than the ref) hits a smaller person the punch has more force. Combined with it being a sucker punch, and well, death can happen.

There is definitely some bad luck and circumstance in why the guy died, but ultimately he died because some dumb kid couldn't control his temper and cheap shotted someone smaller than him in the head. This isn't even a fight that went wrong, this was a cheap shot that went wrong, so I don't have much sympathy for this kid if he gets the proverbial book thrown at him.
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However clear I try to make it that I don't give a **** about this kid or what happens to him people always assume my stand against excessive vengeance based punishment is due to my concern for (in this case) the kid. That's not correct, society is the loser here. That's what I'm trying to point out.

The idea that a 17 year old is a lost cause based only on the information that he's hispanic and he took a cheap shot at a ref seems pretty ridiculous to me. People saying that are just emotionally reacting to the death of the ref and looking to hurt the person responsible.
 
Gameface said:
However clear I try to make it that I don't give a **** about this kid or what happens to him people always assume my stand against excessive vengeance based punishment is due to my concern for (in this case) the kid. That's not correct, society is the loser here. That's what I'm trying to point out.

The idea that a 17 year old is a lost cause based only on the information that he's hispanic and he took a cheap shot at a ref seems pretty ridiculous to me. People saying that are just emotionally reacting to the death of the ref and looking to hurt the person responsible.
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Are you generally in favor of the death penalty?

Kid ruined his life in a moment of anger when he performed an act that has a low probability of death. I bet they go for mansluaghter or 2nd degree.
 
The Thriller said:
So Cal is a lil different because the nicest schools and fields are owned by private institutions. Not the case here in Utah where the only private schools that anyone ever cares about is Juan Diego and BYU.


But ultimately, the public just doesn't care. Ultimately, the money they gain by these leagues is deemed more important by the principal and superintendent. The only alternative is to raise taxes/push through a bond. We all know that is a huge nono.
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Not true with the fields AYSO uses. We lease fields for practices and games from the school districts. None are private. Just two weeks ago, the AYSO region sent an e-mail to all parents about parking on the outdoor basketball courts with a warning we could lose our field if that practice continued. Know what happened this week? ZERO cars pulled through the parking lot onto the courts. Make the league accountable and behavior will change. If it doesn't, they need to lose their privileges. Sure, it costs the school district money; but it costs more to repair the fields.
 
While I don't think he should be charged as an adult I think the prosecutor is reasonable in pursuing this. Hopefully it gets shot down.
 
Time for an example.

Time for a wake up call to players and parents.

Time to send a message.

Time for the Latino league to clean up its act.

Hope this punk to get his *** kicked.
 
MoTown16 said:
Charge him high so he pleads down to what he should be punished for. Also think the league needs to be held liable and disbanded, especially hearing about prior assaults at these games.
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Totally agree. Time to get rid of this league. However, before disbanding, lets have one last weekend of games and invite the INS to come watch. Could save a lot of Time, energy, and American tax dollars. Have the remaining legal ones stay after to clean up the trashed field.
 
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Gameface said:
And that's it right there. If we put this kid who lost his temper, like a kid, in the adult system we are essentially guaranteeing ourselves that upon his release he'll be useless as a productive member of society and will almost certainly turn to crime and do even more harm to society. Forgetting about the kid for a minute, that's not a good deal for the rest of us.

Let this kid deal with this through the juvenile system. It might be light on destructive vengeance according to some of your tastes, but it provides for the possibility that this kid won't turn into an adult who's only contribution to society is more crime and violence.
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Or it means he won't really have learned his lesson. Or it means he's already broken and will just spend more time on the streets being a threat to public safety than he otherwise would
 
How many actual fist fights have happened in ward basketball? How many resulting deaths? If some of you wanting to attack the Mormon religion (no surprise here. Many on this website love to attack Christianity and anyone with morality or traditional values) think that the LDS church wouldn't immediately disband their basketball program if a death occurred are crazy. Comparing this horrific tragedy and league full of a long history of abuse to "ward basketball" are doing nothing more than taking a cheap shot. It says a lot more about you folks than it does us.
 
In the story his daughter claimed he has been beat up before and has his legs and ribs broken. I am starting to think this is partially the leagues fault. I think the kid should be punished but whoever is running this league should be punished as well if it is common place to have your ref beat up. Either that or this ref has a big mouth and is saying offensive things to people but I would guess this league is out of control and fights and other issues are common place.
 
Broncster said:
In the story his daughter claimed he has been beat up before and has his legs and ribs broken. I am starting to think this is partially the leagues fault. I think the kid should be punished but whoever is running this league should be punished as well if it is common place to have your ref beat up. Either that or this ref has a big mouth and is saying offensive things to people but I would guess this league is out of control and fights and other issues are common place.
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If a bad ref, then he should have been dismissed by the league. That would have happened in other organizations such as AYSO. There is simply no excuse for violence. I don't care if it had been the worst call in the history of soccer. You do NOT assault a ref. You don't swear at him, spit on him, chest bump him, push him...and you certainly don't HIT him - in the face or anywhere else. The league has to go. And what ARE they doing? Holding a benefit soccer tournament/ OK, pass the hat around. But a soccer tournament when the guy was KILLED at a soccer game? Sorry, I just see that as being ill-timed and crass.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Or it means he won't really have learned his lesson. Or it means he's already broken and will just spend more time on the streets being a threat to public safety than he otherwise would
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Well as someone who made mistakes as a juvenile I'm glad I was allowed to grow up and learn from them. But yeah, we should lock up as many kids as we can identify as non-conformant because they're probably no good.
 
You folks know that the referee killed was uninsured, right?

How many hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt now is that family with medical bills?

How are they going to pay that off? What about the income lost because of his death?

Has anyone here actually seen how much it costs for a funeral lately?

And we sit here worried to death over the killer?

Unbelievable.

I feel so bad for the victim here... His hand must have really hurt after that referee's face got in the way of his first. Damn referees, always getting in the way!
 
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