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Somebody explain Derrick Williams love to a Jazz Fan

Qman said:
If we did that we would looking to make a trade. We need some more guards.
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Hayward, Bell, CJ? They're good for 48 minutes combined, no?

I posted this yesterday in the draft thread (assuming the Jazz pick re-sign AK, pick up CJ's option, grab DWill2 and Reggie Jackson):

C: Big Al (32), Favors (16)
PF: Favors (12), Millsap (18), DWill (18)
SF: Millsap (12), AK (28), DWill (8)
SG: Hayward (28), CJ (20)
PG: Harris (30), Reggie Jackson (18)

It would be incredible if the Jazz could pick up Williams with the #3 (or move up to the #2).
 
BENTLEY said:
I say "expensive" but what I mean is they're really rare and hard to come by. So I don't like to spend them on PGs since you can find guys like Rondo at 21.

Use those rare picks on rare commodities. PGs aren't rare, and to win you don't need an elite one anyway.

This is my opinion. You disagree. We're still friends.
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Rondo got picked by a good team and was a fit. I believe 100% if he was picked by almost any other team he would be a bench player. He got picked by the right team and landed in the right situation. That is what happens with most late round picks. Almost all the top PG's are lottery picks. Dwill,CP3, Jason Kidd, Derrick Rose, Westrbook, Mike Conley, Billups, etc.

There are guys like Parker and Rondo who got picked by great teams at later stages of the draft and where great fits.
 
Ok well, I'm just not that impressed with Knight. I'd sooner take a chance on finding a Rondo or Parker later on than grab Knight at 3. If we're talking Irving that's a different conversation.
 
If you're worried about Marvin Williams - remember Marvin never produced in college the way Derrick Williams has.

Marvin was the 4th or 5th option on his college team.


Derrick Williams produced as a first option while dealing with double-teams.
 
Being an UCLA Alum, I've watched a great deal of PAC-10 basketball over the years, and Derrick Williams is going to be very good.

The Danny Granger comparison is somewhat accurate in such a way that they are both very hard worker and show 'heart' for the game. Granger single handedly carried that New Mexico team to Sweet 16 (i think) while DWill 2.0 took Arizona to Elite 8. However, Granger's game relies a lot on coming off screens as opposed to creating offense for himself (which is why he's a good 2nd option, not first).

The Paul Pierce comparison is legit. They both aren't volume 3 point shooters (not in the beginning of Paul Pierce's career), but they shoot a very good percentage. He is not extremely athletic but has good lateral quickness and just has a feel for the game. DWill 2.0 is very crafty and he can pretty much get to the hoop any time he wants. And here's something that translates into the NBA - he gets to the foul line the way Pierce does, meaning even when he is having an off night (which he pretty much never did in college), he can still find a way to score - and you need that in your go-to scorer.

In the beginning of this past season, when he was barely a lottery pick on most mocks, John Hollinger wrote an article on how ridiculous DWill 2.0's PER is from his freshman campaign, and how difficult it is going to maintain that. Well guess what, he did, and improved on his outside shooting - his previous worst attribute. He is also a clutch player who made many many MANY big plays down the stretch in every game... not just in the NCAA tourney.

People are concerned about him being a tweener, but I'm not. There is a reason why despite being a 'tweener', he is still a possible #1 pick. Someone mentioned earlier that he hasn't seen anyone who improved that much over his two years in college, and I agree wholeheartedly. I'd compare his development to Russell Westbrook (from my alma mater UCLA), they were both 3 star recruits out of high school, and improved so much in first two years to the extent that they kind of "have" to go in draft a year early. And people were also concerned about Russell Westbrook being a tweener, and look - he is now one of the brightest young star in the NBA, and I fully expect DWill to be the same.
 
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jazzmailman said:
Being an UCLA Alum, I've watched a great deal of PAC-10 basketball over the years, and Derrick Williams is going to be very good.

The Danny Granger comparison is somewhat accurate in such a way that they are both very hard worker and show 'heart' for the game. Granger single handedly carried that New Mexico team to Sweet 16 (i think) while DWill 2.0 took Arizona to Elite 8. However, Granger's game relies a lot on coming off screens as opposed to creating offense for himself (which is why he's a good 2nd option, not first).

The Paul Pierce comparison is legit. They both aren't volume 3 point shooters (not in the beginning of Paul Pierce's career), but they shoot a very good percentage. He is not extremely athletic but has good lateral quickness and just has a feel for the game. DWill 2.0 is very crafty and he can pretty much get to the hoop any time he wants. And here's something that translates into the NBA - he gets to the foul line the way Pierce does, meaning even when he is having an off night (which he pretty much never did in college), he can still find a way to score - and you need that in your go-to scorer.

In the beginning of this past season, when he was barely a lottery pick on most mocks, John Hollinger wrote an article on how ridiculous DWill 2.0's PER is from his freshman campaign, and how difficult it is going to maintain that. Well guess what, he did, and improved on his outside shooting - his previous worst attribute. He is also a clutch player who made many many MANY big plays down the stretch in every game... not just in the NCAA tourney.

People are concerned about him being a tweener, but I'm not. There is a reason why despite being a 'tweener', he is still a possible #1 pick. Someone mentioned earlier that he hasn't seen anyone who improved that much over his two years in college, and I agree wholeheartedly. I'd compare his development to Russell Westbrook (from my alma mater UCLA), they were both 3 star recruits out of high school, and improved so much in first two years to the extent that they kind of "have" to go in draft a year early. And people were also concerned about Russell Westbrook being a tweener, and look - he is now one of the brightest young star in the NBA, and I fully expect DWill to be the same.
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Good post.

I think the Granger comparison is a decent one. Williams outweighs Granger enough that he could play some PF if needed. But I look at him as a big small forward (oxymoron I know) like Anthony, James, Granger etc.
 
JohnnyClutch said:
Jeez, I wish everyone would stop including Miles in their rotation predictions. He sucks. Please don't bring that hack back.
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He's a cheap option and is very much the same level as other reserve wings in the NBA. He'll be a Jazzman next year unless he's traded, and no trades are going to happen until the new CBA.
 
If we draft a new SF, it's likely one of Miles and Kirilenko will be gone. It's very unlikely both will be gone.
 
One Brow said:
If we draft a new SF, it's likely one of Miles and Kirilenko will be gone.
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I wouldn't bet on it. If Favors can play the 5 (I think he can), there would likely be some minutes available at the 4 for AK, even with Millsap, Favors and Jefferson on board. Further, CJ can be used at the 2, although this would relegate Raja to spot minutes (which, it seems, is not the FO and coaching staff's plan).

It's probably best for the Jazz to go into the season with the players they have- which would include AK IF he comes at a low cap figure- and re-evaluate them after they've had an opportunity to see how they work together with Ty as head coach.
 
He kinda looks like Evan Turner, which does scare me. How Evan Turner managed to get drafted so high scares me, because he looked so meek on the basketball court when I watched him. I hope Williams is different. And yes I know its ridiculous to compare based on facial similarities.
 
Lance-A-Million said:
He kinda looks like Evan Turner, which does scare me. How Evan Turner managed to get drafted so high scares me, because he looked so meek on the basketball court when I watched him. I hope Williams is different. And yes I know its ridiculous to compare based on facial similarities.
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Tuner is more a 2 guard. 210 lbs. Williams is 240ish. With the skills of a 2 guard.
 
GVC said:
I wouldn't bet on it. If Favors can play the 5 (I think he can), there would likely be some minutes available at the 4 for AK, even with Millsap, Favors and Jefferson on board. Further, CJ can be used at the 2, although this would relegate Raja to spot minutes (which, it seems, is not the FO and coaching staff's plan).
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I think at least Okur fits into the 4-5 rotation, and it anything we are trying to find more time for Millsap at the 3.
 
Thanks for the compliments guys!

Lance-A-Million said:
He kinda looks like Evan Turner, which does scare me. How Evan Turner managed to get drafted so high scares me, because he looked so meek on the basketball court when I watched him. I hope Williams is different. And yes I know its ridiculous to compare based on facial similarities.
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Evan Turner had an up-and-down rookie campaign, it wasn't good, but it wasn't terrible either, just not to the extent that we expect out of a #2 pick. Sadly, i'm not sure if Turner will ever be good in Philly; similar to Tyreke Evans, he needs the ball in his hands to be effective; however, 76ers has a very good and promising ball handler in Jrue Holiday (look at them Bruins!), so I'm not sure if Turner ever has the chance to deliver.

I'm actually not opposed to drafting Brandon Knight either:
1) He is young for his class (still only 18, won't be 19 till the end of year).
2) He plays composed (it showed in the NCAA tourney. He was terrible in game 1 till the very end, it takes quite a bit of self-confidence to make such a comeback at the end and hit the game-winning buzzer)
3) He doesn't seem opposed to the idea of coming to Salt Lake City, and is a very smart kid (rumor has it that he has a 4.0 GPA and came from a high school that actually focused on academics).

I'd compare him to Jrue Holiday, but at this point i think Holiday is a better prospect because he is slightly bigger (enough to guard the other teams 2 guards) and is a much better defender. But Brandon Knight wouldn't be a bad pick in a very weak draft class.
 
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