Stan Van gundy on Gordon Hayward...

[Stifle Tower]

When did he say he wanted to be paid like an All-Star?

Wouldn't you say $10M or more is all-star type pay? He did say he wanted to paid somewhat less than George, not somewhat more than Korver.

OK, let me rephrase it. If he wants to be paid like an upper-tier starter, then he has to shoot better than 27th at his position. Better?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Wouldn't you say $10M or more is all-star type pay? He did say he wanted to paid somewhat less than George, not somewhat more than Korver.

OK, let me rephrase it. If he wants to be paid like an upper-tier starter, then he has to shoot better than 27th at his position. Better?

He wants to be paid what the market feels his maximum value is. That is the truth and not some over-dramatic crap that fans use to vilify Hayward with. "Hayward wants to be paid the max cuz he thinks he is the next Larry Bird!". No, he is just trying to maximize his value like most people do in their jobs. He took a risk and didn't sign an extension (pretty small risk because his value floor is probably 9 million dollars). Hayward isn't out there making comparisons to players he wants to be paid like. His agent might be, but it for sure ain't Hayward.

 

[Fishsticks]

The great debater is back! Damn near every thread. Cy has some pent up debatin and he ain't holding back.

 

[Stifle Tower]

He wants to be paid what the market feels his maximum value is. That is the truth and not some over-dramatic crap that fans use to vilify Hayward with. "Hayward wants to be paid the max cuz he thinks he is the next Larry Bird!". No, he is just trying to maximize his value like most people do in their jobs. He took a risk and didn't sign an extension (pretty small risk because his value floor is probably 9 million dollars). Hayward isn't out there making comparisons to players he wants to be paid like. His agent might be, but it for sure ain't Hayward.

Fantastic. I hope the Jazz fire back on comparisons by showing 44 out of the 45 wings in the NBA that are on pace to make 300 FG's or more are shooting a better FG%. That ought to really establish his market value.

 

[berat_36]

He wants to be paid what the market feels his maximum value is.

One dump franchise = Market..?

I hope the Jazz are smart enough to let him go once the price is too high. I like him as a player and the kind of he is playing, except his shooting. Why the hell is he shooting soo much?Some of you especially you are saying Kanter is having a low basketball IQ but when a player shoots over 20 times despite of having a bad night that doesn't seem to be smart as well as lang as your name isnt Carmelo...

It sucks that Gordon has the freedom to do whatever he wants. Alec Burks has to play brillant to earn more minutes and Gordon is getting 40 minutes automatically. He is not a #1 option in the offense unfortunately no one in the current roster ist. Maybe Alec?Too early to say. Why is Corbin trying to force Gordon to be that primary option?

His shooting hurts the team but everything else helps. Maybe he is playing too much?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

One dump franchise = Market..?

I hope the Jazz are smart enough to let him go once the price is too high. I like him as a player and the kind of he is playing, except his shooting. Why the hell is he shooting soo much?Some of you especially you are saying Kanter is having a low basketball IQ but when a player shoots over 20 times despite of having a bad night that doesn't seem to be smart as well as lang as your name isnt Carmelo...

It sucks that Gordon has the freedom to do whatever he wants. Alec Burks has to play brillant to earn more minutes and Gordon is getting 40 minutes automatically. He is not a #1 option in the offense unfortunately no one in the current roster ist. Maybe Alec?Too early to say. Why is Corbin trying to force Gordon to be that primary option?

His shooting hurts the team but everything else helps. Maybe he is playing too much?

The market is the 30 NBA teams, so if one team decides he is worth X amount of money, then the market has decided he is worth that amount.

 

[Doublea]

Assume
1. 60% or above is great.
1. 50%-59.9% is very good.
2. 40-49.9% is "average" (and I say that because I think 40% is not very good and 49% would be very good).
3. 30-39.9% is bad.
4. Under 29.9% is abysmal.

Hayward this season
1. Great = 4
2. Very good = 8
3. Average = 11
4. Bad = 12
5. Abysmal = 12

TBH, 40% average is at the very low end of acceptable. Compared against the "qualifying" SG's (those on pace for 300 or more made FG's), Hayward is 27th. Only J.R. Smith is worse. If you look at SF's, all 17 listed at the position have higher shooting percentages than Hayward.

Whichever way you slice and dice, Gordon is having the worst year of his career in a season in which there is huge motivation to perform at a top level. Pressure of trying to do too much? Perhaps. But if he wants to be paid at the level of an all-star, he should be performing at the level of an all-star level.

Shooting isn't everything that a basketball player does though. You can't just judge based on his %'s. Paul George shot % about the same last year when asked to be the #1 option and he was on a much better team.

 

[The Midnight]

Also, Hayward's career pattern says he is going to be unconscious from deep next year.

Flat out refuse to believe there is a white person in the NBA who isn't a really good shooter.

We've got 2 on our team, Biedrins & Gobert.

 

[The Midnight]

The great debater is back! Damn near every thread. Cy has some pent up debatin and he ain't holding back.

Word brah.

 

[UGLI baby]

He wants to be paid what the market feels his maximum value is. That is the truth and not some over-dramatic crap that fans use to vilify Hayward with. "Hayward wants to be paid the max cuz he thinks he is the next Larry Bird!". No, he is just trying to maximize his value like most people do in their jobs. He took a risk and didn't sign an extension (pretty small risk because his value floor is probably 9 million dollars). Hayward isn't out there making comparisons to players he wants to be paid like. His agent might be, but it for sure ain't Hayward.

Mother ****ing this.

Cy bitch slapping the simpletons in this thread.

 

[Stifle Tower]

So Hayward isn't out there making comparisons but his agent is. Who negotiates with teams? His agent.
I agree that the market is 30 teams and the number that can sign him is a smaller pool than that. Cy is correct, whichever teams decides to sign him for X has set his market value. I just hope the Jazz value him based on replacement cost, not on misguided loyalty.

 

[VINYLONE]

Ouuuuch. Personally I think gordon is a good shooter but just inconsistet.

What does this mean?

 

[Darkwing Duck]

Does anyone NOT see Hayward getting Batum money?

 

[latin jazz]

What does this mean?

That he has a nice shooting form and quick release...an above average jump shooter. Some games he seems unstoppable (like against OKC) and you think ¨wow, he can really shoot the ball". Then he goes on those shooting slumps where he looks lost, trying to do too much and taking bad shots... like being uncomfortable in his current role and Ty's offense. He will probably benefit by having a more competent scorer next to him and of course, a new coach.

 

[r_u_s_t_b_u_c_k_e_t]

What does this mean?

It means he's not a good shooter.

 

[Getting Traded]

He wants to be paid what the market feels his maximum value is. That is the truth and not some over-dramatic crap that fans use to vilify Hayward with. "Hayward wants to be paid the max cuz he thinks he is the next Larry Bird!". No, he is just trying to maximize his value like most people do in their jobs. He took a risk and didn't sign an extension (pretty small risk because his value floor is probably 9 million dollars). Hayward isn't out there making comparisons to players he wants to be paid like. His agent might be, but it for sure ain't Hayward.

The next Larry Bird? That's like saying Burks is the next Michael Jordan. You could say they are similar type ballplayers but they're not nearly in the same league. You're talking about all-time greats.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

The next Larry Bird? That's like saying Burks is the next Michael Jordan. You could say they are similar type ballplayers but they're not nearly in the same league. You're talking about all-time greats.

 

[carolinajazz]

SVG would be right at home with the Jazz. He could make it like the poor-man's Dwight Howard-era Orlando Magic.

Burke = Nelson
Hayward = Hedo
Favors = Howard

....one things for sure! If SVG becomes head coach of the Jazz....at least we'll have a "head coach!"......and the post game interviews will rival the best in the league!

 

[VINYLONE]

It means he's not a good shooter.

Sometimes, things are plain to see. Being inconsistent, as GH is, definitely means he's not a good shooter.

 

[BENTLEY]

A few quotes from SVG which I found interesting (considering some think he could a HC candidate next year):

On Gordon's value:

""a little bit above the mid-level exception,"

That's just what I was thinking. I think I mentioned it in another thread. Hayward's value I put at 6 mil, 7 tops.