Stat Prediction for the season
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fixed, I mean, those points have to have some assist behind them, right? Unless JLIII is getting all of them.
Considering our rebounding talent in the starting lineup is getting better, there is little to no chance.
Burks is a much rebounder than Foye (who was one of the worst rebounding SG's I've ever seen).
Kanter and Favors are both better individual rebounders than Sap and Jefferson.
Rebound competition has only gotten harder for Hayward, so I doubt we see much improvement unless there is a concentrated effort. If Favors and Kanter can hold down rebounding well enough, with support from Burks, then I doubt he will do that.
I've been pretty vocal about how much I hate Hayward as a rebounder, so I would be pretty happy if he could even hit 4 per game (given 36mpg).
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Favors: 22.2 PPG 10.3 RPG 2.6 BPG
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I would like to crawl inside your tiny head to see how you came up with these.
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Agreed, with two minor exceptions: Favors is the better rebounder, Kanter will score more than Favors, and Burks will get to the line way more than that if given 33 mpg (which he clearly won't -- too stacked at the 2 with Hayward getting burn there).
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Probably right
a dose of optimistic reality
As much as I'l love to see the types of stats posted by some (i.e., 2 big men avg double double), these seem based in fantasty, I'm leaning toward optimistic realism.
Kanter 25 mpg, 15 ppg, 7 rpg
Favors 30 mpg, 16 ppg, 8 rpg
Hayward 32 mpg, 16 ppg, 8 rpg, 4 apg
Burks 20 mpg, 10 ppg, 3 rpg, 2 apg
Burke 25 mpg, 10 ppg, 2 rpg, 6 apg
As much as I'l love to see the types of stats posted by some (i.e., 2 big men avg double double), these seem based in fantasty, I'm leaning toward optimistic realism.
Kanter 25 mpg, 15 ppg, 7 rpg
Favors 30 mpg, 16 ppg, 8 rpg
Hayward 32 mpg, 16 ppg, 8 rpg, 4 apg
Burks 20 mpg, 10 ppg, 3 rpg, 2 apg
Burke 25 mpg, 10 ppg, 2 rpg, 6 apg
I'm assuming Favors is going to get the FT line more than Kanter, which will give him slightly more PPG.
Kanter seemed like the more consistent rebounder to me.
Burks might average more FTA, but with how evenly distributed the shots are going to be, I just don;t know if he will have the ball enough to average 6 or more per game.
With the moves the FO has made, it really makes no sense for the young guys to play less than 30 mpg. The only player I could see averaging less is Kanter if he can't stay out of foul trouble all the time, which I don't think will be that consistent of a problem.
If Kanter and Favors are only averaging 55 MPG than means there is 41 MPG left between Biedrins/Gobert/Evans. That isn't going to happen. We don't even have a traditional backup PF so Kanter and Favors, who are really the only two players close to being PF's, are going to get a ton of minutes if they aren't in foul trouble.
And unless Burke is completely worthless, I think he gets 30 MPG. I just don't see John Lucas getting over 20 mpg.
And the Burks minutes is just ridiculous. I would pretty much consider him gone after his last year if we don't trade him. It would be a giant insult to only get 20 MPG on a tanker team.
And how does Hayward average pretty much the exact same minutes even though the FO has signaled to him that they want him to be the leader of the team?
This isn't a realistic prediction, it's just a Corbin-hater prediction.
AND HOW THE **** IS HAYWARD NEARLY TRIPLING HIS REBOUNDING TOTAL DESPITE HAVING BETTER REBOUNDERS AROUND HIM?
Neggd for being worst prediction ever.
Good point. It's also big expectations for Kanter going from 7 ppg to 18-19, but I think he's capable.
Seems like that for me and everyone else. However, Favors is an elite rebounder who's not getting proper credit (IMO because he's not putting up fluke double doubles like Kanter has). He's gone 11.1 and 11.0 per 36 versus starters over the last season vs. Kanter's 11.5 and 10.2 against scrubs. I'm crediting Favors' athleticism on this one; let's make a bet.
Either way, it's going to be a bitch rebounding against this team a la Gasol-Randolph.
The Jazz offense is going to be trash for the first half at minimum. Shot clock motion offense will get Burks more driving opportunities, not less. Who else is going to bail out broken play after broken play?
Or....
Thank you for the constructive comments : - )
Setting aside all that emotion and returning to the world of facts and reason.....
You believe Kanter's rebound per 48min will increase from from 13.4 to 16 (~19% increase). In 2012/13 season terms, would move him from 25th in the league (similar to Elton Brand & Ed Davis) to 8th (similar to Zach Randolf, DeMarcus Cousins, Emeka Okafur). Are you sure you've thought that one all the way through? Did you consider that young guys per 48 frequently drops with fatigue across a season? Can you think of any precedent for this type of increase?
When was the last time a team had 2 starters with a total average of 20.5 rpg, as you boldly predict? Last year Portland (19.5), Mem (19), Atl (18.6), Bkn (18.0). Kanter/ Favors will be very good rebounders, but you have them ABOVE the current elite rebounding bigs. When you predict them to get 1.5 more rebounds per game (120+ rebounds per 82 games) than Zach Randolf and Marc Gasol, you certainly are in the running for the "worst forecast ever" you awarded me.... : - )
Your belief that Alec Burks steps from 13 to 33 mpg is farfetched. I'd be very happy if his minutes doubled and I would not be surprised to see significant minutes at the 2 to Rush and Hayward.
Regarding my post, Hayward was a typo, he is at 4 rebounds per game in my spreadsheet, thanks for pointing out this mistake.
You certainly are a live wire, this is basketball not world hunger, turn off your caps for goodness sake and take a xanax.
Perhaps you may be mistaking what you wish will happen with reality. All the young guns will get more minutes, for sure. But you seem to be getting carried away in emotion (I love wagering with people like you, such easy money). (how much $$ for Burks over/under 33 minutes? How much $$ Kanter/ Favors over/under 20.5 rpg?)
It would be embarrassing for you if my "worst ever" forecast turns out to be better than yours. If that happens, I'm sure I'll see a board apology for your silly rant.
Chill out, brother, and have a nice day........
Thank you for the constructive comments : - )
Setting aside all that emotion and returning to the world of facts and reason.....
You believe Kanter's rebound per 48min will increase from from 13.4 to 16 (~19% increase). In 2012/13 season terms, would move him from 25th in the league (similar to Elton Brand & Ed Davis) to 8th (similar to Zach Randolf, DeMarcus Cousins, Emeka Okafur). Are you sure you've thought that one all the way through? Did you consider that young guys per 48 frequently drops with fatigue across a season? Can you think of any precedent for this type of increase?
When was the last time a team had 2 starters with a total average of 20.5 rpg, as you boldly predict? Last year Portland (19.5), Mem (19), Atl (18.6), Bkn (18.0). Kanter/ Favors will be very good rebounders, but you have them ABOVE the current elite rebounding bigs. When you predict them to get 1.5 more rebounds per game (120+ rebounds per 82 games) than Zach Randolf and Marc Gasol, you certainly are in the running for the "worst forecast ever" you awarded me.... : - )
Your belief that Alec Burks steps from 13 to 33 mpg is farfetched. I'd be very happy if his minutes doubled and I would not be surprised to see significant minutes at the 2 to Rush and Hayward.
Regarding my post, Hayward was a typo, he is at 4 rebounds per game in my spreadsheet, thanks for pointing out this mistake.
You certainly are a live wire, this is basketball not world hunger, turn off your caps for goodness sake and take a xanax.
Perhaps you may be mistaking what you wish will happen with reality. All the young guns will get more minutes, for sure. But you seem to be getting carried away in emotion (I love wagering with people like you, such easy money). (how much $$ for Burks over/under 33 minutes? How much $$ Kanter/ Favors over/under 20.5 rpg?)
It would be embarrassing for you if my "worst ever" forecast turns out to be better than yours. If that happens, I'm sure I'll see a board apology for your silly rant.
Chill out, brother, and have a nice day........
TheSilencer1313
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Wow! I thought Cyrone was having an aneurism here.
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Lemme get a crack at this. Im normally not that good at it.
Burke: 11.3 PPG. 6 APG. 2RPG. Yes, I think he is quite NBA ready-- and will get loads of minutes. This rookie season would be on par with Kemba Walker and DJ Augustin.
Burks: 12.8 PPG. 3 APG. 4 RPG. This prediction is the hardest to make-- IMO.
Hayward: 17.5 PPG. 4.5 APG. 3 RPG.
Derrick Favors: 15 PPG. 9.7 RPG. 2.5 BPG.
Enes Kanter: 13 PPG. 11 RPG. I think Enes is a year away from realllyyy taking names on the offensive end. However, his offensive potential >> Favors's, as of right now.
Rush: 10 PPG. 2 RPG. 43% from three like a baw$e.
Burke: 11.3 PPG. 6 APG. 2RPG. Yes, I think he is quite NBA ready-- and will get loads of minutes. This rookie season would be on par with Kemba Walker and DJ Augustin.
Burks: 12.8 PPG. 3 APG. 4 RPG. This prediction is the hardest to make-- IMO.
Hayward: 17.5 PPG. 4.5 APG. 3 RPG.
Derrick Favors: 15 PPG. 9.7 RPG. 2.5 BPG.
Enes Kanter: 13 PPG. 11 RPG. I think Enes is a year away from realllyyy taking names on the offensive end. However, his offensive potential >> Favors's, as of right now.
Rush: 10 PPG. 2 RPG. 43% from three like a baw$e.
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Hayward gets low amounts of rebounds not from bad rebounding fundamentals-- but because he is usually the ball-handler in transition, and leaks out consequently. He was easily our best player on the break last season. Unless you count when Mo Williams got hot and drilled three 3s against the spurs.
TheSilencer1313
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This is the correct conclusion, without the bugging out involved.
spycam1
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Isn't it really rare for 4 guys to average 15 PPG?