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Religion, beliefs, bah. Live and let live. Everyone has their way through life. Do what you think is best for you. Some people need to walk before they run, my friends.
 
I think after reading CJ posts I actually de-evolve.
 
Behe's material has been refuted more times than I care to count, in pretty much every way you can name.

That's what the cultists say, but a few have reluctantly conceded to preserve their scientific integrity.

Tom Cavalier-Smith (Evolutionary Biologist): For none of the cases mentioned by Behe is there yet a comprehensive and detailed explanation of the probable steps in the evolution of the observed complexity.
Robert Dorit (Yale Molecular Biologist): In a narrow sense, Behe is correct when he argues that we do not yet fully understand the evolution of the flagellar motor or the blood clotting cascade.

Interpretation: We insist that natural selection can account for these things but we can't yet SHOW you how.
 
That's what the cultists say, but a few have reluctantly conceded to preserve their scientific integrity.

... a comprehensive and detailed explanation ... fully understand ...

Interpretation: We insist that natural selection can account for these things but we can't yet SHOW you how.

We do not yet have "a comprehensive and detailed explanation" of the reason different masses, separated by gravity, attract each other. We don't "fully understand" how gravity works. Yet, we do not attribute gravity to angels pushing things around.

The issue is not that it is impossible to show how these things could have happened, but that we know of so many different ways they could have happened and it is not possible to pick just one as the way it did happen.

You'll have to do better than the Behe quote-mines of critics that savaged his work.
 
We do not yet have "a comprehensive and detailed explanation" of the reason different masses, separated by gravity, attract each other. We don't "fully understand" how gravity works. Yet, we do not attribute gravity to angels pushing things around.

The issue is not that it is impossible to show how these things could have happened, but that we know of so many different ways they could have happened and it is not possible to pick just one as the way it did happen.

You'll have to do better than the Behe quote-mines of critics that savaged his work.

But can you prove it's not?
 
We do not yet have "a comprehensive and detailed explanation" of the reason different masses, separated by gravity, attract each other. We don't "fully understand" how gravity works. Yet, we do not attribute gravity to angels pushing things around.
The issue is not that it is impossible to show how these things could have happened, but that we know of so many different ways they could have happened and it is not possible to pick just one as the way it did happen.

If all "ways" are labled "evolution" of course evolution can't help but be truth.

Real scientists don't claim "any movement is gravity" in the way cultist onebrow claims "any change is evolution."

The invisible force that causes a predictable and specific type of movement is labeled "gravity."

Other movement occurs through the influence/design of an outside force...

So if we see an apple fall to the ground we don't have to insist that it was a random occurence for our observation to be considered scientific. We recognice the invisible force called "gravity" as a scientifically relevant explanation for certain movement.

Back to your insistence that you couldn't possibly pick just one cultist story for how complex organs came into existence. Darwin claimed they came into existence in a specific way, "numerous successive, slight modifications," but none of your cultist stories have yet to involve this particular "way" so none of said stories can yet be called a "refutation."
 
If all "ways" are labled "evolution" of course evolution can't help but be truth.

"so many different" =/= "all"

Real scientists don't claim "any movement is gravity" in the way cultist onebrow claims "any change is evolution."

Like your heroes, you quote-mine to smear. I said that in response to a comment about the fictitious notion of de-evolution. It is more precise to say that any change in the population as generations proceed is evolution.

The invisible force that causes a predictable and specific type of movement is labeled "gravity."

Other movement occurs through the influence/design of an outside force...

Nonsense. The other three fundamental forces also cause the movement of mass, with neither design nor influence.

So if we see an apple fall to the ground we don't have to insist that it was a random occurence for our observation to be considered scientific. We recognice the invisible force called "gravity" as a scientifically relevant explanation for certain movement.

Similarly, when we see a change in a population over generations, we don't have to insist that it was a random occurrence for our observation to be considered scientific. We recognize the invisible mechanic called "selection" as a scientifically relevant explanation for certain changes.

Back to your insistence that you couldn't possibly pick just one cultist story for how complex organs came into existence. Darwin claimed they came into existence in a specific way, "numerous successive, slight modifications,"...

Which modification came first, second, third, etc.? Did any appear at the same time? You can order a set of n items in n! ways (so, for 7 items, there are 5040 ways to order them). Even if you rule out 90% of the orders, that's still 50 to choose from, and we don't know which particular order is correct.
 
Keep posting, PearlWatson. I'm probably gonna read through this thread with my evolutionary biology prof (yes, he does have a PhD, which seems to matter so much to you).
 
new human kind evolving in USA?:)

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But can you prove it's not?

You can't ask people to prove a negative especially when your claim is supernatural.

Can you prove that there is not invisible munchkins living in my beard, feeding on my soul, and producing magic elixirs to protect me from evil spirits that if given the chance would rearrange my chacras putting my genital chi on my third eye ultimately making me a bigger dickhead than I already am?
 
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Keep posting, PearlWatson. I'm probably gonna read through this thread with my evolutionary biology prof (yes, he does have a PhD, which seems to matter so much to you).

Bring professor Darwiniac on and show him this while you are at it:

1) the title of PhD is meaningless-- just because someone has a three-letter title, this does not in any way mean that their knowledge of science is automatically superior to that of an individual without that distinction. We should base our opinions on people based on the construction of their arguments, not on the parchments of paper that they have framed on their wall from some random college.
 
Bring professor Darwiniac on and show him this while you are at it:

I just showed my research supervisor, who has a PhD, an MSc, and runs an extremely successful research lab.

He said he completely agrees with me, and that it's a common sentiment in academia.
 
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