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Stupid Pet Peeves

UGLI baby said:
Loggradbro, nobody is offended or something that you think Utahns talk weird, cuz they do.

The thing is, outside of the Mountain and Layton examples, nobody from Utah talks anything like what you are saying. Like, the Mountain and Layton stuff is cultural, the other stuff is just some random dude you met that talks weird lol.

The pen/pin thing? No bro.
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How about creek? Rarely do I hear it pronounced correctly. Instead, everybody goes fishing in the crick.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Complain about the peeved all you want. It just means that people expressing their pet peeves is a pet peeve of yours.

And if you are trying to argue that there is no "Utah Speak" then you need to take the quiz that tells what part of the country you are from (check the google). There are distinct word patterns directly associated with Utah. It isn't a secret or a conspiracy. It's just the way Utahns talk. No different than "y'all" everywhere in the south. And to some people it sounds uneducated and crass and can be irritating.

And yes, I actually say "moun-tin" with a very subtle but noticeable pronunciation of the "t" in the word (I had to try this out with my family to verify...lol). I have noticed this more outside of Utah. In Utah it is almost exclusively "mou-un". My friends that lived in California who came to visit when I lived there called it "Lay-ton" or once they had visited a few times "Late-n", but never omitting the "T" entirely, whereas the locals call is "lay-un" with just a kind of pause between the lay and the un.

Here is a simple test. Ask a native Utahn for a "pin" or a "pen" and they will almost invariably ask which you mean, a pin or pen, since they generally pronounce the one like the other and vice versa, and often with a sort of combined vowel that makes them both sound the same. Goes right along with "mell" instead of "mail" or "rill" instead of "real".
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The thing is, IT'S NOT UTAH SPEAK. And that's kind of the point. It's NORMAL speech. The glottal stop, ESPECIALLY with the t to n relationship, is VERY AMERICAN and not Utahn. The only reason people say the "t" in Layton is that they're unfamiliar with the word.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uS4YZ_a3_ig

(That video also goes into Moe's Sump'n post.)

And if you think the pin/pen relationship is someone Utah only, well, I'm currently taking about 80 calls a day from people around the country that can have both words in the conversation, and the fact that they speak English is why pin/pen can sound the same, since the calls come from all 50 states.
 
Scat said:
How about creek? Rarely do I hear it pronounced correctly. Instead, everybody goes fishing in the crick.
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In English, the tendency (so much so that it becomes an allophonic rule in cases) is to elongate vowels when followed by a voiced consonant and shorten vowels with a voiceless consonant (say wheat and weed out loud, you'll hear the difference). Creek to crick follows that trend.
 
Scat said:
How about creek? Rarely do I hear it pronounced correctly. Instead, everybody goes fishing in the crick.
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In Utah??

I grew up in Sandy and I guess I'm primarily around Sandy'ers, but never heard people in Utah call it a crick.

Maybe all this stuff is a small town Utah thing?

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I thought a crick was smaller than a creek? That's how I determine what to say.
 
Do these pronunciation things really bother y'all that much? If I ever meet any of y'all language scrubs I'm just going to pronounce everything wrong.
 
Another one that drives me nuts is important. Lately it seems everyone is dropping the first T and pronouncing it impor-ant.

Ask has turned into aks.

And for whatever reason New Yorkers put a frickin' R on the end of any word that ends with a vowel like the word idea. Idear? Really??
 
Just remembered that a girl I dated in highschools Uncle once invited me up boating at "Deer Crick" and I legit had no idea WTF he was talking about even though I had been to Deer Creek like 9 times.

So I stand corrected. Utahns do say crick.
 
"Read this blog to hear how Utahns talk."

Or I'll just live in Utah my whole life and hear it that way.

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When people say "you guys" instead of "y'all". "You guys" sounds like something Urkel would say.
 
PKM said:
y'all is proper grammar.. no doubt.
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In a way it is. It is short for "you all", which is more proper than "you guys". Many languages have a plural of the pronoun "you", in German it is "ihr", which we lack, so we make up for it in this way.
 
LazyD said:
Getting jelly on my fingys while eating a pbj
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To piggyback on this topic: I despise having a loaf of magnificently assymetrical bread only to realize this after you have prepared the wrong sides for battle.
 
Darkwing Duck said:
I suppose I can get behind these.



Not arbitrary. It's called the glottal stop. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glottal_stop

I'd love for you to say mounTAIN.



So I guess since Loggrad wants this thread to be about pet peeves and not people complaining about pet peeves (which is seemingly half the posts in this thread), one of my pet peeves is people thinking the way they pronounce words is vastly superior to another's.

When are you guys going to complain about "ask" being pronounced "aks?"
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Late arrival:

I'm not sure what your point is (only rational, consensus-voted pet peeves are allowed?), but okay: It's a glottal stop. For what it's worth, though, I think what we're talking about is at best a very soft glottal stop (i.e. "lay-uhn") rather than the glottal stop we all use (i.e. "layt'n"). Pretty nitpicky of me, but pet peeves are weird that way. Let me know if I should set up a poll, and I'll get on it.

Otherwise, what's with making this into a personal attack? I didn't say a thing about being vastly superior to anyone. On the other hand, your approach-- providing us all with a definition, calling me out on my pronunciation of words (I say mount'n, thanks), and beating this dead horse relentlessly-- is a little patronizing, don't you think?

Lord, dude. Go take a cold shower or something.
 
olden_undercover said:
Late arrival:

I'm not sure what your point is (only rational, consensus-voted pet peeves are allowed?), but okay: It's a glottal stop. For what it's worth, though, I think what we're talking about is at best a very soft glottal stop (i.e. "lay-uhn") rather than the glottal stop we all use (i.e. "layt'n"). Pretty nitpicky of me, but pet peeves are weird that way. Let me know if I should set up a poll, and I'll get on it.

Otherwise, what's with making this into a personal attack? I didn't say a thing about being vastly superior to anyone. On the other hand, your approach-- providing us all with a definition, calling me out on my pronunciation of words (I say mount'n, thanks), and beating this dead horse relentlessly-- is a little patronizing, don't you think?

Lord, dude. Go take a cold shower or something.
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No. It's a passionate issue.

What I question is why you would ever consider it a peeve in the first place. It's very common in English (which is why I brought up Dayton), in fact, it would be rare to NOT use the glottal stop in this case. So I get confused to why this would ever be an issue and the only thing I can ever come up is "it's an annoyance when they don't speak the word I think they're supposed to, so they're inferior to me." Only other scenario I can think of is that it makes the noun harder to hear when it's pronounced, and I don't think that's the case here.
 
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