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KqWIN said:
Whether he busts or fails, I will remember these stupid arguments and have a laugh. This French League stuff is almost as funny as making up fake box scores lol.
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You know what’s the funniest is making up that Hayes didn’t play in the French League lmao.
 
stitches said:
I just feel stupid for wasting my time and even engaging you bad faith BS. Apologies...
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You didn’t even know Hayes played in the French League bro… the kids table is to the left there. It’s getting full with Eddie Zero, Cy and KqWIN but I’m sure they can squeeze you in.
 
Elizah Huge said:
You know what’s the funniest is making up that Hayes didn’t play in the French League lmao.
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You're right, the reason why we overrated Killian Hayes at draft time is that he happened to play in the French league a year earlier. If he had not played in France a year earlier he would have never been drafted that high :D
 
KqWIN said:
There's been 3 guys who have come direct from the French League into the NBA that have been drafted in the lottery in the last 15 years. 2 of them are this year. If you're not drafted in the lottery you're not a massive bust because more of those guys fail than succeed anyways. But sure, if Hayes that's a whopping 2 players if you move the goalposts. Thinking about that makes me laugh though lol. Like the act of playing in the French League at some point is what makes you overrated. It's a TRAP!!!! Hayes was drafted because of what he did at Ulm, but ok lol. The instant you step on the court in the LNB Pro league you are done for.

At the end of the day, what do Bilal and Frank/Hayes have to do with each other because they are French? They are not similar players and they were not drafted high for the same reasons. It's simply not a basketball argument, and as much as I like Bilal it's not hard at all to make a basketball argument against him. If you're stooping to "French league poison" stuff it feels deeply unserious.
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You aren't just looking for busts though... you are looking for hits no? If there aren't a lot of prospects coming from the league and the ones that do are being drafted too high... like that gets zero of your thinking? But like if Bilal isn't on Wemby's team how high does he go in the draft? If Bilal had played at Arkansas last year what does his season look like? I think he's a fine prospect but NBA teams may have gotten a bit ahead of themselves.

Either way... no judgement can be passed based on summer league performance.... well... I mean if he had put up 20-25 pts per game and was shooting well there would be some taking a victory lap no doubt... but based on what he has showed I'd be slightly lower on him personally. Just like I'd be higher on Keyonte because he popped.

It comes down to this for me... if some are going to slobber over a highlight of him making an awesome block and missing a basic pull up jumper... then its okay for some to point to his numbers sucking and other similar bodied type prospects are producing at higher levels.
 
KqWIN said:
You're right, the reason why we overrated Killian Hayes at draft time is that he happened to play in the French league a year earlier. If he had not played in France a year earlier he would have never been drafted that high :D
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You can die on the Sekou Doumbouya 2.0 hype train man I really don’t care. You go harder for him than any of our own players lmao. It gets tired repeatedly bashing your head in about stuff. Our "lottery tickets" from the Minnesota trade have already started producing.
 
KqWIN said:
You're right, the reason why we overrated Killian Hayes at draft time is that he happened to play in the French league a year earlier. If he had not played in France a year earlier he would have never been drafted that high :D
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He wasn't on the radar before then?
 
Elizah Huge said:
You can die on the Sekou Doumbouya 2.0 hype train man I really don’t care. You go harder for him than any of our own players lmao. It gets tired repeatedly bashing your head in about stuff. Our "lottery tickets" from the Minnesota trade have already started producing.
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Let me know the next time you want to invent a box score, I want to be there to laugh at you again.
 
Has anyone gone as hard as these stooges for Bilal for any other prospect that we didn’t even have the chance to draft in the history of JazzFanz? Truly a historic performance.
 
KqWIN said:
Let me know the next time you want to invent a box score, I want to be there to laugh at you again.
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If all you can say to me is one mistake where I misread a box score I must be doing pretty ****ing good. Keep clinging on to that though it’s cute.
 
Elizah Huge said:
You didn’t even know Hayes played in the French League bro… the kids table is to the left there. It’s getting full with Eddie Zero, Cy and KqWIN but I’m sure they can squeeze you in.
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Of course I knew he played in French league... bro! I was looking for their ****ing stats for you specifically. Because I was trying to show you that the sample is not as big as one might assume. In 10 years there have been 6 French prospects taken in the 1st round. This is NOTHING. Put them ALL as French league players if you want, even if they didn't come into the league from the French league. It still is a really small sample to make any sort of judgement on the next player coming from the French league)... when you actually have FILM and you can actually watch the player specifically and decide if he's good or not based on what he is as a BASKETBALL player, not based on where his parents did the deed...
 
stitches said:
Of course I knew he played in French league... bro! I was looking for their ****ing stats for you specifically. Because I was trying to show you that the sample is not as big as one might assume. In 10 years there have been 6 French prospects taken in the 1st round. This is NOTHING. Put them ALL as French league players if you want, even if they didn't come into the league from the French league. It still is a really small sample to make any sort of judgement on the next player coming from the French league)... when you actually have FILM and you can actually watch the player specifically and decide if he's good or not based on what he is as a BASKETBALL player, not based on where his parents did the deed...
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Lol bro I actually like you as a poster and think you are one of the best posters here so I don’t care to pursue this further. It’s all jokes and nothing personal.
 
Elizah Huge said:
Lol bro I actually like you as a poster so I don’t care to pursue this further. It’s all jokes and nothing personal.
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Oh believe me, when someone is accusing me of lying and spreading misinformation it is personal. Especially, since I was trying to actually provide some value to this discussion. Whatever. Won't make that mistake again.
 
stitches said:
Oh believe me, when someone is accusing me of lying and spreading misinformation it is personal. Especially, since I was trying to actually provide some value to this discussion. Whatever. Won't make that mistake again.
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Ok, if you want to be dramatic then you can. You flat out lied so you can throw a hissy fit if you want to.

You literally said "but Dieng and Hayes didn't even play in the French league before coming to the NBA."

That’s a flat out lie. So you can sulk if you’re upset about it I don’t care.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
You aren't just looking for busts though... you are looking for hits no? If there aren't a lot of prospects coming from the league and the ones that do are being drafted too high... like that gets zero of your thinking? But like if Bilal isn't on Wemby's team how high does he go in the draft? If Bilal had played at Arkansas last year what does his season look like? I think he's a fine prospect but NBA teams may have gotten a bit ahead of themselves.
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it would get thinking, but it would be a deeper analysis as to what made those prospects bust and how does that apply to Bilal. It'd be a much deeper exercise than just "French league bad".
 
People now understanding how deeply rooted Elizah's xenophobia is. Dude threw temper tantrums and made up box scores when presented with the idea that Utah might value him. Now he is flaming stitches, one of the more mild mannered draft posters.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
People now understanding how deeply rooted Elizah's xenophobia is. Dude threw temper tantrums and made up box scores when presented with the idea that Utah might value him. Now he is flaming stitches, one of the more mild mannered draft posters.
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He’s super butt hurt that I called him out for lying. Sorry that I wanted correct information out there especially after you touted it as being true.
 
Elizah Huge said:
If all you can say to me is one mistake where I misread a box score I must be doing pretty ****ing good. Keep clinging on to that though it’s cute.
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Oh yeah, that's the only time you've resorted to these desperate arguments lol. Like I said, there are fair question marks about Bilal. But the insane digging you do to try to "argue" a point really does not make you look good man. You accuse people of "slurping" Bilal to death, but truth is when someone disagrees with you that's the moment you will resort to the dumbest arguments possible. That's how you end up inventing box scores and inventing reasons why people say something.

I'm not even sure @stitches is even high on Bilal. But people can recognize a bad argument as a bad argument. He can speak for himself, but I'm pretty sure he doesn't like or dislike Bilal on the basis of Killian Hayes stepping onto a French LNB court once upon a time.
 
KqWIN said:
Oh yeah, that's the only time you've resorted to these desperate arguments lol. Like I said, there are fair question marks about Bilal. But the insane digging you do to try to "argue" a point really does not make you look good man. You accuse people of "slurping" Bilal to death, but truth is when someone disagrees with you that's the moment you will resort to the dumbest arguments possible. That's how you end up inventing box scores and inventing reasons why people say something.

I'm not even sure @stitches is even high on Bilal. But people can recognize a bad argument as a bad argument. He can speak for himself, but I'm pretty sure he doesn't like or dislike Bilal on the basis of Killian Hayes stepping onto a French LNB court once upon a time.
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You can continue glazing Bilal and I will continue to watch, appreciate, praise and love our lottery ticket. Sounds fine to me.
 
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