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[Harambe]

This is gold coming from you - the dude that speculated I've fallen for Nazi's or I'm a Russian disinformation account or very naive because I asked if people saw the guy verbally berating a 9/11 widow in Portland. That guy was canned from his work because of the video. Tell me, do you think his work fell savior for Nazi's, promotes Russian disinformation and are naive too?



Thriller said I was spewing conspiracy garbage and accused me of being a xenophobe. lol. Based off of what evidence? Instead of reading what I write, dudes like Thriller, One Clown, Dala, and you speculate I follow Alex Jones and I read conservative papers like Breitbart, I'm a xenophobe, I've fallen for savior Nazis, I'm Russian. Do you know how ****ing dumb this sounds? You guys literally speculate and name call instead of reading.



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Thriller does a lot of weird ****. Do I think you've fallen into a narrative? Probably one you've heard about offhandedly and then seen some evidence of, and call it truth?

Yeah. Yeah I do. And in a weird turn of events, as you're willing to give legitimate racists, biggots, incels, and nazi's positive exposure, you are spewing garbage. I hope you're not a xenophobe, but the options seem to be that or setting the stage for positive light for a morally dubious group?

To use a extreme example; Hitler near abolished unemployment. There was a lot of smoke and mirrors, but any leader would be proud of it. At the time of the Holocaust(or even now), I would not spew any amount of praise for that regime, regardless of this feat. It's morally dubious, and provides confidence and momentum that we need to stamp out, not encourage.

NAMBLA could crash a bus into Putin's convoy, killing the Ruski on impact. I would still not consider them heroic, or give them any positive credit for the action.

 

[One Brow]

Thriller said I was spewing conspiracy garbage and accused me of being a xenophobe. lol. Based off of what evidence? Instead of reading what I write, dudes like Thriller, One Clown, Dala, and you speculate I follow Alex Jones and I read conservative papers like Breitbart, I'm a xenophobe, I've fallen for savior Nazis, I'm Russian. Do you know how ****ing dumb this sounds? You guys literally speculate and name call instead of reading.

When you only post xenophobic materials, and never xenophilic, people will take this as evidence that your sources are xenophobic.

All that I objected to was your pretense of neutrality. Once you dropped that, I have rarely responded to you.

 

[Archie Moses]

Yeah. Yeah I do. And in a weird turn of events, as you're willing to give legitimate racists, biggots, incels, and nazi's positive exposure, you are spewing garbage. I hope you're not a xenophobe, but the options seem to be that or setting the stage for positive light for a morally dubious group?

Gtfo.

I haven't said anything that legitimizes anyone of those groups. However, I've condemned these groups time after time after time. It's about as offensive as it gets saying this ****. I have conservative views on some things, but I'm not a Republican, the right, the alt right, a Nazi, a biggot, an incel, or what ever your alt left rhetoric tries and labels me.

How simpleminded, dimwitted and a leftist sheepleton can you be?

 

[idestroyedthetoilet]

Every murder is due to something. That doesn't mean the overall murder rate is due to any particular circumstance of national, societal factors. I don't think George H. W. Bush was responsible for the uptick in the homicide rate from 1989-1991, either, and I'm not brushing that aside because I'm so fond of a President who said atheists couldn't be good citizens.

If you are intent on insisting that non-randomness is responsible for the discrepancy and want to make a convincing argument for it, than please go back to #148, looking at the up-and-down nature of the change in murder rate considering cities of different sizes, and tell me how your hypotheses explain those differing percentage changes.

I'm not interested in convincing anyone and am convinced well enough to be content. You seem oddly skeptical for someone who needed to ask for an explanation of how de-policing leads to further crime, and whatever your point was supposed to be about murders being committed in the absence of police so less policing means less murder???

 

[The Thriller]

this thread has taken one hilarious turn. Seeing someone desperately backtrack, trying to defend their xenophobic laced posts literally made me LOL. When you constantly post xenophobic material under the false guise of “balance” and “discussion” don’t whine when people get the impression that you’re a xenophobe. LOL

 

[One Brow]

I'm not interested in convincing anyone and am convinced well enough to be content. You seem oddly skeptical for someone who needed to ask for an explanation of how de-policing leads to further crime, and whatever your point was supposed to be about murders being committed in the absence of police so less policing means less murder???

Since you were repeatedly bringing up the short-term increase in murder rate, I was under the impression you wanted to convince someone of something. I may well have been wrong.

What I said:
My understanding of the Ferguson Effect is the claim that police are reluctant to leave their vehicles. To my understanding, most murders are done when police are not in the vincinity at all. Could you please explain how the Ferguson Effect could have any relation to the crime rate?

I acknowledge that I should have said "murder rate" instead of "crime rate" and that I misspelled "vicinity".

Are you equating "de-policing" with "the Ferguson Effect"? Do you have a different understanding of the Ferguson Effect than I? Do you have any reason to think that police are refusing to investigate murders (as opposed to lesser crimes) based on the Ferguson effect? Do you have any reason to think that police being out of their cars less has a significant impact on the murder rate?

Yes, I'm skeptical. As I said above, I'm skeptical HW was responsible for the increase from 1989-1991, and skeptical Obama was responsible for the increase from 2014-2016. How about you? Will you suggest that some nebulous policies of the HW administration were responsible for the increase in murder rate during that Presidency, or is this blame something you reserve for Obama?

I'm still interested in evidence, though. Even if you don't want to have a detailed discussion, perhaps you can refer me to these scholars from whom you have the basis for your opinion.

 

[Archie Moses]

this thread has taken one hilarious turn. Seeing someone desperately backtrack, trying to defend their xenophobic laced posts literally made me LOL. When you constantly post xenophobic material under the false guise of “balance” and “discussion” don’t whine when people get the impression that you’re a xenophobe. LOL

If your post is about me then I challenge you to find a single post I've made that's xenophobic or where I've backtracked.

The uber leftists who try and bully on Jazzfanz and call you offensive things like Nazis, Russian disinformationists, xenophobic, etc is getting tiring. You guys are the left versions of Dutch, but of course, you can get away with it because gawd knows why.

Again, I challenge you, Thriller. If you're going to make an offensive accusation and use a big boy word like xenophobic, show me.

You guys mimic leftist's rhetoric and buzzwords when people have different opinions than your progressive, leftist and sensationalized opinions.

 

[Archie Moses]

I just read more of this thread.

Leftists be like Elizabeth Warren is Native American and just told stories she was told. Then immediately be like Cesar Sayoc is white and will not acknowledge any other part of his ethnicity. I should clarify, not that this matters, but the leftist brought it up on here.

"Have you seen pictures of him?"

Lmao... That's the same thing Rosie said about Jarrett, One Clown - now back on ignore.

 

[The Thriller]

“Leftists?”

LMFAO

When trying to put distance between yourself and alt right, here’s a tip, “don’t use their terminology.”

What next, are you gonna call me a snowflake? Cuck? Globalist???

SMH.

 

[Archie Moses]

“Leftists?”

LMFAO

We have one thing in common. I LMFAO too after saying leftists.

Great response to a challenge though...

 

[The Thriller]

We have one thing in common. I LMFAO too after saying leftists.

Great response to a challenge though...

Sorry, me refusing your challenge has zero to do with me being unable in finding evidence that you’re into some pretty morally dubious and politically intolerant (xenophobic) **** and has everything with it being a complete waste of my time.

I think people merely need to read your last few posts to gain a pretty decent understanding of where you’re at.

“Leftists.”

LMFAO

 

[Archie Moses]

Merriam Webster.

Definition of leftism


1: the principles and views of the leftalso : the movement embodying these principles

2: advocacy of or adherence to the doctrines of the left

Other Words from leftismSynonyms & AntonymsExample SentencesLearn More about leftism
Other Words from leftism
leftist \ ˈlef-tist \ noun or adjective

It's hard to make this **** up...

Having trouble proving I'm xenophobic?

 

[Archie Moses]

Sorry, me refusing your challenge has zero to do with me being unable in finding evidence that you’re into some pretty morally dubious and politically intolerant (xenophobic) **** and has everything with it being a complete waste of my time.

I think people merely need to read your last few posts to gain a pretty decent understanding of where you’re at.

“Leftists.”

LMFAO

Post reported for being Dutch-esque.


"Waste of my time."

Nah, bro... if you gonna make those accusations, back that **** up.

 

[Jonah]

If your post is about me then I challenge you to find a single post I've made that's xenophobic or where I've backtracked.

The uber leftists who try and bully on Jazzfanz and call you offensive things like Nazis, Russian disinformationists, xenophobic, etc is getting tiring. You guys are the left versions of Dutch, but of course, you can get away with it because gawd knows why.

Again, I challenge you, Thriller. If you're going to make an offensive accusation and use a big boy word like xenophobic, show me.

You guys mimic leftist's rhetoric and buzzwords when people have different opinions than your progressive, leftist and sensationalized opinions.

It would be awesome if there were some actual uber leftists here. Like a Marxist that’s studied Das Kapital, or a Chomsky style libertarian socialist, or maybe a member of the Democratic Socialists of America to explain why Bernie Sanders isn’t really much of a socialist. I would love to hear those perspectives, but nobody here is that far to the left. Really not a single radical leftist. What we do have are mostly just standard issue liberals and progressives.

 

[Archie Moses]

It would be awesome if there were some actual uber leftists here. Like a Marxist that’s studied Das Kapital, or a Chomsky style libertarian socialist, or maybe a member of the Democratic Socialists of America to explain why Bernie Sanders isn’t really much of a socialist. I would love to hear those perspectives, but nobody here is that far to the left. Really not a single radical leftist. What we do have are mostly just standard issue liberals and progressives.

Good, so you agree there aren't any Nazis, Xenophobic, and uber alt right on Jazzfanz? Minus dutch and thriller (uber left) of course.

 

[idestroyedthetoilet]

Since you were repeatedly bringing up the short-term increase in murder rate, I was under the impression you wanted to convince someone of something. I may well have been wrong.

What I said:
My understanding of the Ferguson Effect is the claim that police are reluctant to leave their vehicles. To my understanding, most murders are done when police are not in the vincinity at all. Could you please explain how the Ferguson Effect could have any relation to the crime rate?

I acknowledge that I should have said "murder rate" instead of "crime rate" and that I misspelled "vicinity".

Are you equating "de-policing" with "the Ferguson Effect"? Do you have a different understanding of the Ferguson Effect than I? Do you have any reason to think that police are refusing to investigate murders (as opposed to lesser crimes) based on the Ferguson effect? Do you have any reason to think that police being out of their cars less has a significant impact on the murder rate?

Yes, I'm skeptical. As I said above, I'm skeptical HW was responsible for the increase from 1989-1991, and skeptical Obama was responsible for the increase from 2014-2016. How about you? Will you suggest that some nebulous policies of the HW administration were responsible for the increase in murder rate during that Presidency, or is this blame something you reserve for Obama?

I'm still interested in evidence, though. Even if you don't want to have a detailed discussion, perhaps you can refer me to these scholars from whom you have the basis for your opinion.

Spikes in crime and public perception of police have been linked. Crime rise and de-policing have been linked for a long time now. If we are to blame terrorist actions on Trump's rhetoric (no link yet) then the same logic applies to blaming Obama and democrats rhetoric of undermining trust in police, and failing to support them as police chiefs accused Obama of doing. The same logic applies to crediting Trump with lowering crime by supporting police and the rule of law. He campaigned hard on that.

I'm using the logic that zombie and others used here. Probably why it upset some a bit.

 

[Jonah]

Good, so you agree there aren't any Nazis, Xenophobic, and uber alt right on Jazzfanz? Minus dutch and thriller (uber left) of course.

No Nazis that I know of. I would guess there are a few Xenophobes and alt right sympathizers amongst the Trump supporters that post here. There was a QAnon fan here, which is an even nuttier version of the alt right, not sure he’s still around though.

 

[One Brow]

Then immediately be like Cesar Sayoc is white and will not acknowledge any other part of his ethnicity.

The media treats him like he's white because he looks white. What does his ancestry have to do with that?

"Have you seen pictures of him?"

Lmao... That's the same thing Rosie said about Jarrett, One Clown - now back on ignore.

Funny, I seem to recall Rosanne (Rosie would be a different celebrity to me) posting some comparison to a monkey. Perhaps to an someone who can't bother with simple politeness, that's the same as referring to a person as being white because they look white. Seems odd to me.

 

[One Brow]

Spikes in crime and public perception of police have been linked. Crime rise and de-policing have been linked for a long time now. If we are to blame terrorist actions on Trump's rhetoric (no link yet) then the same logic applies to blaming Obama and democrats rhetoric of undermining trust in police, and failing to support them as police chiefs accused Obama of doing. The same logic applies to crediting Trump with lowering crime by supporting police and the rule of law. He campaigned hard on that.

I'm using the logic that zombie and others used here. Probably why it upset some a bit.

You have a slightly longer evidence chain to support, but I understand your point. I would say that there is a significant difference between highlighting distrust that already exists and encouraging violence before it has happened, but that may be my liberal glasses at work. YMMV.

One counter-point is that when police engage in activities that promote community partnership, this Ferguson Effect seems to lose efficacy, at least in one study.

https://www.apa.org/pubs/journals/releases/lhb-lhb0000164.pdf

 

[Red]

"Have you seen pictures of him?"

I agree you really can't always go by physical appearance. At least that is the case here in southern New England. The tribes decimated by events like the Pequot War and King Philip's War, in the 17th century, survived. That fact alone still surprises some people in this region of the country. They are a mix of native, white, and black. Many Narragansett were enslaved by the colonists. Some had offspring by those colonists, some by their fellow slaves who were black. Nevertheless, the Narragansett were federally recognized in part because they held an annual Summer powwow every year, without exception, since 1676. Racially mixed, they nonetheless maintained a cultural identity as native throughout the centuries since the English colonized the region.

Beyond that aside, and more to the point, the Seminole denied that the mail bomber had any affiliation with their tribe. It does seem likely that he made that up:

https://www.miamiherald.com/latest-news/article220680590.html