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I know what you're thinking; T-ball, right? I would think the same thing, too. Let me explain a bit:


So last year we moved to Texas to a smaller community between Austin and Waco. I didn't realize sports were taken so serious here. I mean, the high school football stadium is the same size as many college stadiums, at least to my football-naïve eye. This year our oldest is in kindergarten and we signed him up for T-ball. My wife was originally panicking about him not having cleats, pants, etc. I told her to relax as me, myself, having grown up in a baseball family and spent plenty years playing baseball, remembered back to my T-ball [as a side note, it was coach pitch and you hit from the T if you could get the coaches pitch.. not sure what's up with this strictly T stuff, but I digress] and the Sandy City Rec league gave you a stupid Sandy City shirt with a number and a cheap hat. That's it. We all wore sweat pants or jeans with regular shoes. Not here. Full outfit. But this is all beside the point. Anyway, there are apparently really competitive tournaments for T-ball that ultimately converge to a state championship (seriously?)


Anyway, my son is actually pretty decent at baseball, especially considering we technically put him in kindergarten a year early as he has a late July birthday and should have been in the class below. But this is still irrelevant as this is T-ball. Seriously. T-ball. You know, where you play, don't really keep score, everyone has fun, everyone gets a trophy, and you learn a little bit about the game. No, not really. Here it's competitive. So anyway, we've played two games thus far. There are 12 total kids on the team and he's right on par with them, if not decently above-average. So of their 5 inning games, they had him sit out the last two innings the first game. During the last inning, apparently one of the kids in the field had to go to the bathroom and it "couldn't wait". So they sent him to the bathroom and attempted to send my kid to right field (the only position they have him play -- even in practice). When the umpire asked about batting substitution (apparently they would have to replace the kid in the batting order with my kid). I guess this was a no-go as they had my kid return to the bench while they played 8 guys (WTF?). So leaving the game, I was pretty pissed about the fact that they didn't just rotate people in and out to let everyone play, they had him sit 2/5 innings. I told him that at the next game to let them know he sat out two innings if they wanted him to sit again.


Fast forward to tonight, their second game. 10 kids show up. They only play a total of four innings this game. Simple, right? Not even half the team would have to sit out for an inning. Not so. They parked his *** on the bench the last two innings, making a total of 9 innings played and 4 where he's sat out. I could see the oversight of the first game. I could even see the oversight of failing to realize he didn't really play the first game and having him sit out one of the innings this game. But when you only have one guy on the bench and you sit him more than 1 inning when you only have 1 extra guy, that's pretty damn blatant. I'm a very calm person. I went and stood behind the dugout and was about to have some words with his coach. I don't want to do anything and have it backfire on my kid, but he's curious why he keeps sitting out. My plan is to call the coach tomorrow. I've calmed down a bit in trying to bring this to his attention without wanting to rip him a new one, but that will depend on how he responds.


So, I'm pretty pissed off about this. I just want my kid to have fun. There's no reason for any of this, really. I mean, this is T-ball. I can't believe I'm having to do something that a parent of maybe a high school baseball player would do.


Any thoughts?
 
Don't mess with Texas.

I'd definitely call the coach and ask. Just don't confront him as he's probably carrying.
 
When my kid played tball here in Utah, everybody played the field and everybody batted. Every inning. I don't think I'd be very keen on the idea of competitive tball for a five year old.
But I digress. Since they are obviously psycho down there, a nice calm conversation about what your son is or isn't doing to get him benched would be appropriate. Just don't be confrontational. If you go into it with an attitude, that will likely get returned to you. Just ask the coach what your son could be doing better and practice that at home with him.
 
Seems to me either:


1) the coach is friendly with some of the kids' parents (same poker/prayer group?); or

2) your kid's just new to the team and he trusts the other kids more to win him games.


Either way it would probably pay to be "nice" to the coach. I dunno how they do things down there in Texas, but may be a nice bottle of whiskey might do the trick?
 
Seems to me either:


2) your kid's just new to the team and he trusts the other kids more to win him games.


Either way it would probably pay to be "nice" to the coach. I dunno how they do things down there in Texas, but may be a nice bottle of whiskey might do the trick?

It's ****ing T-ball. The coach needs a life if he's trying to win a t-ball game.

From your post it's hard to tell if it was just an oversight (new kid on the team, maybe he's forgetting) or if the dude is some sort of loon. If it's the latter, you'll have to appeal to his Napoleonism (I'm assuming he's short?). Hopefully you do not have to buy the coach a whiskey bottle to let your kid swing at a ball on a stick.

I'm curious, so keep us updated.
 
It's ****ing T-ball. The coach needs a life if he's trying to win a t-ball game.

Well the way the OP was explaining it it seems they take it pretty seriously.

Hopefully you do not have to buy the coach a whiskey bottle to let your kid swing at a ball on a stick.

I'm curious, so keep us updated.

If a bottle of whiskey is indeed what it takes - then damn it just buy the freaking whiskey man. Problem solved.
 
Being a smaller community, I assume you can't find a non-competitive league.

I agree that if you want your kid to play more, the best solution is to ask the coach what your kid could be doing better.

Of course, if your kid plays more, some other kid will be on the bench instead. So, getting your kid in the game doesn't fix the problem, it just passes it along to some other parent.
 
Get really drunk at a game, make a huge scene, then beat the coach with a bat if he doesn't conform to your ideas.

*Advice only valid if you are noticeably stronger than the coach*
 
I coached Little League Baseball in Texas for two years (11/12 year olds - also between Austin and Waco). Both seasons I had at least a couple of parents asking if their kid can pitch or play whatever position; but most were laid back. Especially since both years my team kicked ***. The bottom line is there is no reason your kid should not be playing every game. Talk to the coach - if that doesn't work talk to the league manager. Bottom line is you're not paying league fees for your kid to sit on a bench and for both of you to watch other kids play.
 
well, first I think I'd try to make small talk with the other parents at practice or the next game and see if they can offer any insights - or just see what you can learn from other parents whose kids play t-ball but aren't necessarily on your son's team.

also, maybe at the next game only 9 will show up - that'd be interesting if your kid sits then! then you'd really have some ammunition.


also, is this thread displaying weird for anyone else? it's wider than most threads and i have to use my horizontal scroll to see the entire post.
 
I think you need to just have a candid conversation with the coach. No need to get nasty about it or turn it into a shouting match. I don't think you should ask what your child can do to be better. These are kids who are just learning the game. Mistakes are to be expected and that's how they learn along with a lot of practice. T-ball really shouldn't be competitive in the first place and I am saying that as a person who is not fond of the give them all a trophy approach. Don't get angry, just let him know your concerns. These kids also should be switching positions after every inning.
 
My dad was a coach, so I got to see this from the coaches side pretty often. The kids who didn't play usually fell into a few categories.

1. Missed practice very often
2. Didn't even want to be there, parents made them play
3. Would rather dick around during practice and not learn anything so when they did play they screwed everything up

The parents didn't care that the reasons made sense, they wanted their kid to play dammit!

Almost never did a kid who came and tried but wasnt very good not get PT.

This was more youth football than 5 year old tball so take it for what its worth.
 
I'm going to come at this from two different angles:

1. Growing up my parents moved several times. Playing baseball and football I found very quickly that most of the other kids and their parents were well known by the coaches and it was up to me to prove that I deserved playing time. I had to bust my *** and play harder, run faster, practice longer, etc than any of the other players to get playing time. It always took a while but by season's end I was the starter. And I wasn't picky about what position I got to play as long as I got to play. I know this is a difficult concept to teach a 6 year old and it is easy to give up, but if you can get him to buy into it he will eventually be on that field.

2. I coached my daughters' soccer teams while they were growing up. I butted heads with parents several times because they thought their kids should get equal playing time "just because". In one particular case I had a mother with two sons on the team. Her one son was put in at goalie during a game and literally watched the ball go past him twice with no attempt at stopping it because he didn't want to play goalie. I pulled him and sat him the rest of the game. Mommy was furious. She thought her sons should play the positions they liked best and should get to play as much as they like. I explained to her that her boys never came to practice, refused to jog around the field before games to warm up and in general didn't want to listen and do as they were asked during games. Why should they get everything they wanted when they didn't participate and be part of the team? She thought I was just a horrid coach (even though my teams were consistently among the best in the league) and went over my head to the league officials. Of course they had to meet with me and explain that since this is a rec league I had to play all kids equally regardless, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It pissed me off but I ended up playing them but certainly not where they wanted. League told me that as long as they were on the field they didn't care what position. The next year mommy requested that her kids not be on my team which was fine by me. I had numerous other parents requesting that their kids be put on my team.

If the coach is not strong he may be getting bullied by other parents.

For what it's worth, maybe offer helping the coach with practices or some other from of participation.
 
I appreciate all who have commented. I have an update, in addition to comments from some of the above posts. I do understand some of the general sentiment around ideas of spoiled 10 year olds and their parents being oblivious to the fact that they suck and demand they play, however:

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While I understand the importance of teaching kids life lessons, I kind of question the idea of going Tyrone Corbin on 5 year olds. I think I'd share a lot of these same sentiments if these were 12 year olds, but not at the age of 5. To be clear, my kid is a pretty good player. I taught him by pitching to him (which brings me to my tangent of t ball... when I played at his age it was coach pitch and you only used the T if you couldn't hit from the coach... speaking of life lessons, let's get rid of the damn T and let the kids play real ball, but I digress). He'd never hit off a T before, but if you saw him hit pitches you'd think he was pretty good. In any case, any of the mistakes he's made are the same mistakes every other kid has made. The idea that him seeing time on the field is conditional on some coach's arbitrary measure of success, two games into the season, is poppycock. I think him being "skillful" as a prerequisite to playing as a 5 year old is irrelevant (or at least should be in the minds of rational people). Baseball varies quite a bit from other sports in that nearly the whole team should be on the field at any given time. It isn't basketball where at least 7/12 people will be on the bench at any point. To justify sitting 4/9 innings based on any measure is total ********, especially when lots of other kids haven't ever sat out.

Also, it was mentioned about how if he played it essentially is just passing the buck as someone else's kid will sit on the bench. I'm not advocating anyone sit on the bench, especially not a significant amount. As mentioned, with this being baseball, there's plenty of field-time available with people only having to sit out an inning periodically. I'm also not advocating my kid play 100% of the time. I'm just advocating he not sit on the bench in a figure approaching 50% of the time, or even 25% of the time as that is not necessary nor required -- for anyone.

As far as taking his career as a T-ball player seriously, my thoughts mirror Buck Russell's thoughts on taking a career as a student seriously (highly recommend viewing as this is very pertinent -- start at 0:41):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEt5dEOcW0I

The update:

So Friday evening I called the coach. I spent the first part explaining that I understand it's difficult managing a bunch of kids, etc., etc., and then expressed how my concern was that my kid sat out multiple innings the first game, and that when he asked me why I told him that everyone is going to sit out at some point; but then the next game, when only 10 kids showed up, he still sat out half the game. He mentioned that it was an oversight and that if he had known he sat out in the first game that he wouldn't have sat him. I found this somewhat disingenuous as it was him who specifically sat him out the second game in more than one inning. If you've only got one guy on the bench, it's hard to make that argument that you don't realize the same person is sitting out. I'm willing to grant that game-to-game it's easy to not recognize that. Not so much within the game when you've got 10 guys. Later in the discussion he came back to "well, he did watch two balls go by him," so obviously he recalls that. He did, however, have to admit that this was the same problem with all the kids.

So yesterday there was another game. We were the first ones to show up. When someone else arrived, I overheard the coach state that they were only going to have 9 guys at the game. Later, before the game started, he approached me and told me that he'd be playing the whole game.

So far, we're 0-3. I attribute this to the defensive strategy (not that there should be one for a bunch of 5 year olds playing T ball), but their game plan is have the pitcher (in T ball the guy who gets 75% of the hits coming to him) field the ball and then try to run down the runner, without ever making an attempt to throw the guy out. I assume that since they'd risk an error from throwing or catching at 1st ended up in the runner taking second, that they think it's a better strategy to have the kid try to run everyone down rather than throw to another kid who may not catch it (or the pitcher may not even throw it good). Anyway, for the 3 games this has been the strategy. The entire game there was only one occasion where the ball was thrown to first, and that was by another player. Now, I don't really care about game plan (or if they even have one), but if you're trying to "win" games by not really having the kids develop any skills (i.e. simple fundamentals by throwing it to first) and instead are relying on something that's not a sustainable talent (running guys down), and which isn't working anyway (0-3), then that's just silly.
 
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Sounds like somewhat of a good outcome.... he seems to respect you now which is good.


BTW, the coach likes to play vets, bad defensive strategy and not letting young guys develop new skills, his name wouldn't be Ty Corbin by any chance?
 
Sounds like somewhat of a good outcome.... he seems to respect you now which is good.


BTW, the coach likes to play vets, bad defensive strategy and not letting young guys develop new skills, his name wouldn't be Ty Corbin by any chance?

I don't necessarily know what kind of an outcome it is yet. Him saying "he'll get to play the whole game" is an easy promise to make with 9 guys. If he would have said something like "I'll make sure he gets playing time" as a general statement rather than, as it appeared to, trying to right things by promising something that's already happening by default. If all he said was, "hey, I understand, I'll make sure he's not sitting out all the time," I think that'd be the end of it. It'd also be nice if we let the kids play the game the way it's designed, by throwing the ball.
 
Another quick update:

Played game 4 today. Another L (0-4). 10 kids showed up. Kid played catcher whole game. I mentioned before that our strategy is to have the pitcher field the ball and then try to run down all the runners to tag them out. Fantastic strategy. We got blown out. Great way to teach team work.

Number of times other team attempted to throw people out at first: 14
Number of times we attempted to throw anyone out (anywhere): 0

Last game we had 1 attempt at a throw-out.
 
Another quick update:

Played game 4 today. Another L (0-4). 10 kids showed up. Kid played catcher whole game. I mentioned before that our strategy is to have the pitcher field the ball and then try to run down all the runners to tag them out. Fantastic strategy. We got blown out. Great way to teach team work.

Number of times other team attempted to throw people out at first: 14
Number of times we attempted to throw anyone out (anywhere): 0

Last game we had 1 attempt at a throw-out.

I think its high time you give this coaching thkng a shot bro.

Wouldnt it be great if your team can smash this team out of the park?? Like really thrashed them???



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Next year I intend to coach. My schedule may no allow me I always be there, but I've got to find a few parents to go in with because this is getting silly.
 
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