Texas Biker War?

[slc]

These guys were just getting ready for the release of Mad Max.

 

[moevillini]

If they rode around wearing a suit and tie they might not be perceived as thugs.

I've got three things to say about this;

1. If you put lipstick on a pig, it's still gonna look like a pig.

2. You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.*

3. What is it with Waco?


* this sounds like it belongs in the "**** for shinola" thread

 

[DutchJazzer]

Grown men joining gangs and killing each other. Darwinism on display.

how is gang/biker warfare any different then what the governments are doing?

gangs are basically small/mini countries. with leaders citizens and soldiers

 

[DutchJazzer]

These are grown men, mostly over 40 who have decided to join an organization, don a costume with patches and travel in a pack, all for the purpose to defend a self-imposed, theoretical, "territorial map."

If any of you folks still think humans are rational beings, simply digest the above....

whats the difference between self-imposed, theoretical, "territorial map.". and national borders also created by men.

 

[Gameface]

how is gang/biker warfare any different then what the governments are doing?

gangs are basically small/mini countries. with leaders citizens and soldiers

So you civilize it when the gangsters are white?

 

[Gameface]

And fyi, my suit and tie comment was directed at Dutch who felt like the Baltimore rioters should have dressed up.

 

[DutchJazzer]

So you civilize it when the gangsters are white?

nah, just saying with all gangs, black white, italian. they are like cultures/civilizations.
they have thier territor, their leaders, their soldiers, their citzien.
even black gangs. just the way human nature works

 

[Gameface]

nah, just saying with all gangs, black white, italian. they are like cultures/civilizations.
they have thier territor, their leaders, their soldiers, their citzien.
even black gangs. just the way human nature works

Yeah, sure. Whatever.

When there's an issue with black people it's because (without you knowing a damn thing about the individuals you point out) they haven't bettered them self and their family doesn't care about any of their kids and they don't care about their community.

But yeah, sure.

 

[DutchJazzer]

And fyi, my suit and tie comment was directed at Dutch who felt like the Baltimore rioters should have dressed up.

not the rioters should have dressed up but the protesters who wanted to be taken serious
why would these bikers go around wearing sutis and ties?

the reason those baltimore and ferguson protestors need to do it. is because they want to get taken serious by the government and the world. and being set appart from looters/arsonist etc.


so i see no reason why these bikers in (white?)gang warfare need to be wearing suit and tie.
just as i see no reason for those looters and arsonist and vandalist and other black gang members to be wearing a suit and tie.


BUT..... I Do see a reason for legit protesters who have (legit) gripes with the local government and the government of the UNITED STATES, to wear a suit and tie.
seriously to be taken serious by the world and the media, dress like u want to be taken serious.

those bikers, thugs, arsonist, vandalist, looters, could run around in halloween monkey custome for all i care. cus they dont care about the government and what the government thinks about them.


if you think my suit and tie comments applied to all kinda criminals you got it wrong bro. i think i failed in communicating that.



to be 100% CLEAR:

LEGIT PROTESTOR:suits and tie
CEO of companies: suits and tie
POLITICIANS : suits and tie
interview for a job: suits and tie
wedding: suits and tie
funeral: suits and tie
bar mitzwahs: suit and tie
Christening: suit and tie

bloods: whatever the **** they want
cribs: whatever the **** they want
burglars: whatever the **** they want
biker gangs: leather aka whatever the **** they want
looters: whatever the **** they want
arsonist : fire retardant clothing or whatever the **** they want

do you get it now? it is simple. not rocket sicience.
if you are protesting for lack of jobs. protest dressed like you are going to a job interview.



GEEZ, my english is bad but can someone please explain it.

it is plain retarded to apply my suit and tie comment to these bikers

 

[Gameface]

So the bikers should wear a suit and tie then?

 

[DutchJazzer]

So the bikers should wear a suit and tie then?

yes with their cut over the suit and tie and a bandana.

tie preferably with SKULLS!

anywho your just trolling me but if you are relaly intersted and serious:
https://beautifultrouble.org/principle/dont-dress-like-a-protester/

In Sum

If you look like a stereotypical protester, it’s easy for people to write you off. If you look like someone who doesn’t usually hit the streets (the guy next door or an airline pilot in full uniform), people can more easily identify with you. Therefore, don’t dress like a protester.

People don’t care about protesters. Oh, there go those silly protesters again. What are they protesting this time? Look: the police are hitting them over the head! Well, they must have done something to deserve it.

It’s not quite that bad, but you get the idea. Based on what they see in the media, folks get a fairly fixed idea of what “protesters” look like — and the stereotype doesn’t usually lend itself to immediate sympathy for your cause. If you’re planning a mass street action and want to reach out to people who may not already agree with you, think about how you can undermine their stereotypes about “protesters” see PRINCIPLE: Use others’ prejudices against them. Remember: protest is what you are doing; it is not your identity see THEORY: Political identity paradox.

If you want schoolteachers, seniors and office workers to get angry that a cop is hitting you over the head, dress like you’re on your way over to their house for Sunday dinner. Make it easy for them to imagine themselves, or their kids, in your position.

Consider the aura conveyed by what you wear, whether that’s the civility and seriousness of civil rights marchers in suit and tie or the calculated absurdity of “Billionaires” in tuxedos. In all ten years that Billionaires for Bush see CASE protested in the streets, including in the midst of some running street battles with police, never did a single one of us get arrested. It undoubtedly helped that most of us were white, but it also helped that most of us were wearing tuxedos. In New York, we had a one-liner: “New York’s Finest would never arrest New York’s finest dressed.” And it was true. They never did. Of course, the action you’re involved in may not afford the luxury of tuxedos, or generally leave you a lot of room to not dress like a protester. It may require protective gear: bandannas or gas masks to protect from tear gas; heavy clothing or even shields to protect yourself from billy clubs and rubber bullets. Even then, creativity can show the human and beautiful side of dissent. At the Battle in Seattle, many blockades were works of art, and many blockaders were creatively costumed. Or consider the Masquerade Project in New York, decorating gas masks with multicolored sequins and feathers, or the Tute Bianche in Italy or the Prêt à Révolter collective in Spain, or the “Book Bloc” in the UK, all of which wore creative yet protective protest gear into battle, thereby subverting the official media narrative that protesters are violent, scary and (worst of all!) humorless.

Often the most effective protests are those that don’t look like protests. Perhaps to be effective — to quote a character in Peter Carey’s novel The Unusual Life of Tristan Smith — “you will have to make yourself into something beyond anyone’s capacity to imagine you.”

 

[Gameface]

yes with their cut above the suit and tie. and a bandana

What?

 

[Cappy_Smurf]

I just had a great idea. Biker dome cage fights. You could have a huge bubble/bio dome thingy with a paintball course set up inside, and stadium seating outside. It would be made of bullet proof glass, of course. It would provide a safe and fun way for everybody to enjoy watching the bikers work through their issues, without endangering the actual humans. You could even have betting to make it more interesting. Instead of going to the track, fathers and sons could spend their saturday at biker dome. Everybody wins! Almost.

 

[DutchJazzer]

I just had a great idea. Biker dome cage fights. You could have a huge bubble/bio dome thingy with a paintball course set up inside, and stadium seating outside. It would be made of bullet proof glass, of course. It would provide a safe and fun way for everybody to enjoy watching the bikers work through their issues, without endangering the actual humans. You could even have betting to make it more interesting. Instead of going to the track, fathers and sons could spend their saturday at biker dome. Everybody wins! Almost.

WOULD THEY WEAR SUITS AND TIES?

 

[Harambe]

So the bikers should wear a suit and tie then?

Clearly, the answer to every problem is wear a suit and tie.

Being a foreigner, he doesn't realize that Congress, who wear suits and ties every day, still can't get anything done.

But far be it for me to point out the futility in his argument. Just keep him posting to 10k

 

[Gameface]

Clearly, the answer to every problem is wear a suit and tie.

Being a foreigner, he doesn't realize that Congress, who wear suits and ties every day, still can't get anything done.

But far be it for me to point out the futility in his argument. Just keep him posting to 10k

That's the plan.

 

[YB85]

If this had happened in Charming, California, nobody would even hear about this. Nine bikers dying in a shooting in Charming was a weekly occurrence.

 

[Cappy_Smurf]

If this had happened in Charming, California, nobody would even hear about this. Nine bikers dying in a shooting in Charming was a weekly occurrence.

Sounds lovely.

 

[RandyForRubio]

If this had happened in Charming, California, nobody would even hear about this. Nine bikers dying in a shooting in Charming was a weekly occurrence.

Kill a few cops? No big deal. Blow up a couple buildings? Hardly touches the radar.

 

[moevillini]

some interesting legal issues raised in this LA case...

https://www.wsj.com/articles/feds-take-aim-at-biker-gangs-colors-1433107921

Federal prosecutors are trying a novel legal tactic to strike at the heart of what they consider a notorious outlaw motorcycle gang: using trademark law to take away its treasured logo....

...For years, federal authorities have claimed that the Mongols name and logo, which the club has registered as trademarks with the federal government, serve as a source of intimidation and a banner under which members have committed crimes. By taking over the trademarks, which would make it illegal to display the Mongols “colors,” the Justice Department believes it can essentially neuter the club....

...The case is playing out in the wake of a bloody shootout among rival bikers in Waco, Texas, in May that left nine dead and 18 wounded, an event that drew national attention to the subculture of outlaw motorcycle gangs.

That turf-war incident—which didn’t involve the Mongols—exploded into violence after members of one gang began wearing a patch that signified its dominance in Texas, infuriating a rival group.

Motorcycle clubs around the nation are watching the Los Angeles trial closely. “They are worried that if they can do this to the Mongols, they can do it to anybody,” said Donald Charles Davis, an expert on motorcycle clubs who chronicles biker news on his blog, the Aging Rebel. “The idea seems to be that you can ban motorcycle clubs by stripping them of their insignia.”

The case against the Mongols dates to 2008, when federal prosecutors charged dozens of members with crimes ranging from murder to weapons trafficking to money laundering, after undercover agents with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives infiltrated the group. Prosecutors won convictions against members including former president Ruben “Doc” Cavazos.

But they went a step further and formally sought to take possession of the club’s trademarked name and logo. That is an unusual use of federal forfeiture law, which empowers the government to seize assets from convicted criminals.