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When you get into talk about felonies I wonder how you think that is enforced. I see huge problems with pretty much every scenario.
 
When you get into talk about felonies I wonder how you think that is enforced. I see huge problems with pretty much every scenario.

Its just a possession felony in most countries. It would not be a primary crime. But if you got pulled over and had it you get in trouble. If you commit a crime and have one on you there is a mandatory felony and mandatory set time.

But I agree it presents a lot of problems.

Step 1 that I see as borderline insurmountable problem is that the 2nd amendment would have to be re-defined in courts by its original meaning, and ultimately the supreme court would have to make a ruling on it to mean what it was intended and not what it is defined today as.. Or the 2nd amendment would have to be removed or changed.
 
Most gun obsessed Americans are like this dog in this cartoon. All world is telling - you guys have a serious problem, do something!.... yet..

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They have a day each month where they cry over random **** while giving their testimony. Last time I went, a teenager told a parable about a bird that symbolizes Christ or something. He cried.

You should check that service out. First Sunday of each month, I believe.

Take away the 4 and 5 year olds that are just spewing what their mommy whispers in their ears, along with the 17-19 year old girls, and the clearly gay teen-22 year old boys, and you may be surprised at how incredible some of those meetings can be. I’m lightyears away from being a good Mo, but I’ve grown quite fond of listening to other people speak from their heart about things that mean so much. 90% of the time, it’s mediocre and not worth a second thought, but 1 out of 10 people will leave me mentally scratching my head, pondering things I’ve never had reason/thought to ponder, or just flat out feeling good/better about my life.

Yes, stereotypes exist for a reason, but like almost everything else, when you look beneath the easy jokes, there is usually something worth taking away.

Oh ya, guns are lame.
 
Take away the 4 and 5 year olds that are just spewing what their mommy whispers in their ears, along with the 17-19 year old girls, and the clearly gay teen-22 year old boys, and you may be surprised at how incredible some of those meetings can be. I’m lightyears away from being a good Mo, but I’ve grown quite fond of listening to other people speak from their heart about things that mean so much. 90% of the time, it’s mediocre and not worth a second thought, but 1 out of 10 people will leave me mentally scratching my head, pondering things I’ve never had reason/thought to ponder, or just flat out feeling good/better about my life.

Yes, stereotypes exist for a reason, but like almost everything else, when you look beneath the easy jokes, there is usually something worth taking away.

Oh ya, guns are lame.

There are less painful ways to be inspired and motivated. It's why god invented books and YouTube.
 
Just a guess, but I think it fairly logical that our gun culture has played its part in our violence and mental stability issues, and certainly our suicide rates. The government has avoided studying gun violence causes, so we don't know for sure. Perhaps if we could admit that we have a problem and are willing to look at ALL possible causes, we might be able to find a solution.

I highly doubt there is any link between gun culture and mental stability. I can't think of any rational reason the two would even correlate anything but so weakly that it would make for a useless study.

I doubt gun culture, as many like to label, is the underlying reason for violence. It exacerbates it, sure. But, do prisoners become less violent because no access to guns? I doubt it.

I read a few years back that Southern white culture has violence tendencies. The "you ain't insultin' my momma" mentality. Gangsters, thugs, and a good chunk of the poorer class have this mentality IM experience. "What you looking at"? "Them there is fightin words. Sayin' things like that's the thing that gits a fool shanked". Those sort of types who are prone to violence despite access to guns.
 
Take away the 4 and 5 year olds that are just spewing what their mommy whispers in their ears, along with the 17-19 year old girls, and the clearly gay teen-22 year old boys, and you may be surprised at how incredible some of those meetings can be. I’m lightyears away from being a good Mo, but I’ve grown quite fond of listening to other people speak from their heart about things that mean so much. 90% of the time, it’s mediocre and not worth a second thought, but 1 out of 10 people will leave me mentally scratching my head, pondering things I’ve never had reason/thought to ponder, or just flat out feeling good/better about my life.

Yes, stereotypes exist for a reason, but like almost everything else, when you look beneath the easy jokes, there is usually something worth taking away.

Oh ya, guns are lame.
I largely share this view of testimony meetings. I don't need to hear who visited last week and why the dinner was ruined, old lady. I don't care about how you love your aunts and uncles and nephews and nieces and Jesus, little 4-year-old kid (I consider having a kid that young bare any kind of testimony that includes the word "know" to be indoctrination, not a fan). And I really don't care how your dad made you feel bad when you were 16 and, now that you are 48 you can find it in your hear to forgive him while you use up half the tissues in the box snorting snot into the microphone(might be the worst ones).

But sometimes they hit you in the right place. And for all of them, they have their place, maybe just for that one person, maybe for someone else that might (*gasp*) value something you don't! (I can't imagine that, but hey).

My daughter (who, at 16, happens to be nearly one of those 17-19 year olds trout rightly points out), has fought for her testimony. She got into some bad stuff, dealt with some tough issues for a kid her age, and came out the other side better for her experience, with a maturity in her faith I have never been able to match in my 40 years as a mormon. And more often than not she teaches me something on the 1st Sunday of each month.

(She is the reason I don't use my phone during sacrament, when I looked over at her one Sunday, and saw all her peers and most of the adults in the place intently checking their email or play flappy turds or whatever, as I had been too, and she was sitting upright, paying attention, her phone no where in sight. I asked her where it was and she said "under the bench". I asked her why and she said she wanted to be able to hear what people were saying. I looked at my own phone and glanced back at her and she cut right to the chase when she said, with absolute sincerity "it's ok daddy", smiled and turned back to listen to the speaker.)

So I sit through it all each month, and enjoy what I can, and every now and then I really get something that I needed in a profound way. And I roll my eyes a lot. But, fortunately, being human, I enjoy rolling my eyes, so it is a win-win.
 
I highly doubt there is any link between gun culture and mental stability. I can't think of any rational reason the two would even correlate anything but so weakly that it would make for a useless study.

I associate excessive gun ownership with fear, and fear breaks down mental stability. YMMV.
 
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I associate excessive gun ownership with fear, and fear breaks down mental stability. YMMV.

That would be the reverse cause and effect than jazzgal wrote. And yes, mine does vary from yours. I imagine "excessive ownership" is much different in St. Louis than in more rural places. Everyone I know who owns tons of guns are mentally stable, run of the mill citizens as far as I can tell.

Also, fear (caution) is natural and healthy in the right doses. I keep a gun for home protection. Is that fear or prudence?
 
Fear. Better have a dog.

To apply a blanket emotion to all cases is simply foolish. For some it is undeniably fear. For everyone? hahahaha no. We are way to varied for blanket statements like that to be true. Stahp

Also not all dogs are not created equal. Some are worthless in that regard lol
 
That would be the reverse cause and effect than jazzgal wrote.

Since when is cause and effect linear, or even unidirectional?

I imagine "excessive ownership" is much different in St. Louis than in more rural places. Everyone I know who owns tons of guns are mentally stable, run of the mill citizens as far as I can tell.

How many people, how many guns, what type of guns, and for what purpose? The joy of polishing? Professional shooting? Feeling safer based on multiplicity? Historical collection? I'm sure the answers vary by individual.

Also, fear (caution) is natural and healthy in the right doses. I keep a gun for home protection. Is that fear or prudence?

Definitely fear, possibly also prudence. They are not mutually exclusive.
 
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To apply a blanket emotion to all cases is simply foolish. For some it is undeniably fear. For everyone? hahahaha no.

Why would you need a gun for your home protection if you have no fear that it can happen?
 
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Fear. Better have a dog.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...thorities-say-but-why/?utm_term=.5c4aa2030c22

The scene that confronted Goochland County Sheriff Jim Agnew and his deputies was so grisly that he had to pause as he described it in front of reporters.

“I observed, as well as four other deputy sheriffs observed, the dogs eating the rib cage on the body,” Agnew said at a news conference this week.

The series of events that led to that gruesome scene — two dogs guarding Bethany Lynn Stephens’s bloodied remains after authorities say they mauled her to death while on a walk in rural Virginia — have been the subject of speculation, rumors and anger. Why did these two dogs, which friends said had a strong bond with Stephens, turn on their most important human? Agnew doubted that the question would ever be clearly answered.
 
Fear. Better have a dog.

Dog culture.

There are about 5 million dog bites per year in USA. over 10,000 require surgery. Dogs put off dander and allergen pollutants. Pollution is linked to higher rates of autism.

We don't need dogs in society other than guides for the blind. Let's outlaw them and buy them all from individuals.

Edit - @framer beat me to it
 
Why would you need a gun for your home protection if you have no fear that it can happen?

You've already been given that answer. You just don't agree. And I am telling you that assigning one emotion to everyone in that scenario is dumb. People are way to varied in their mental, emotion and physical makeup for one emotion to apply to all.
 
Dog culture.

There are about 5 million dog bites per year in USA. over 10,000 require surgery.

That's just plain stupid. Is USA leading country in the world by insurmountable margin in dog related mass killings, school attacks, dog related crimes and dog related children accidents and deaths?
 
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