The “I’m a Mike Conley hating bitch” list

[Archie Moses]

So whenever Donovan has a bad game, especially like the one tonight where he was pretty awful, it's everybody else's fault, ie. Conley?

Can y'all stop being dumba$$es.

Mike was better than Donovan against Minny today in almost every possible conceivable way.

You're missing what I'm saying. Trust me, I have no problem ******** on Mitchell.

Conley played well tonight. He didn't play like the 9th highest paid player in the league. Dude is underwhelming.

 

[Zombie]

You're missing what I'm saying. Trust me, I have no problem ******** on Mitchell.

Conley played well tonight. He didn't play like the 9th highest paid player in the league. Dude is underwhelming.

I don't think you're wrong, but I also don't think the Jazz necessarily brought him over expecting him to be a 32 million dollar a year guy. That's not what we need from him, that's what we need from Don.

 

[Dali]

You're missing what I'm saying. Trust me, I have no problem ******** on Mitchell.

Conley played well tonight. He didn't play like the 9th highest paid player in the league. Dude is underwhelming.

If it's a discussion about whether Mike is living up to his contract, then that's a different subject. But you explicitly stated that Mike is the reason why Donovan is trying too hard.

He's trying too hard at times because he's the number one dude, and he was awful today, it happens. He has been awesome this season overall though.

 

[Zombie]

If it's a discussion about whether Mike is living up to his contract, then that's a different subject. But you explicitly stated that Mike is the reason why Donovan is trying too hard.

He's trying too hard at times because he's the number one dude, and he was awful today, it happens. He has been awesome this season overall though.

Yeah you put it better than I. If you're expecting top ten play from Conley because he's a top ten paid guy, you're going to be disappointed. That's just not what he is.

 

[Dali]

I don't think you're wrong, but I also don't think the Jazz necessarily brought him over expecting him to be a 32 million dollar a year guy. That's not what we need from him, that's what we need from Don.

Yeah, that might be the case about Jazz not necessarily expecting him to play up to $30+ million dollars, at least internally. But I think it's probably fair to do so regardless for people outside of the franchise. Even us fans. That's a lot of money.

 

[Archie Moses]

I don't think you're wrong, but I also don't think the Jazz necessarily brought him over expecting him to be a 32 million dollar a year guy. That's not what we need from him, that's what we need from Don.

Yes and no.

Mitchell has cost the Jazz the last two games imo. He's confidently played hero ball.

If Mike were playing at the 32 million a year, would Mitchell play this way? Lord knows Mike isn't. He's playing at the 10 million a year (if he's lucky.)

 

[Zombie]

Yeah, that might be the case about Jazz not necessarily expecting him to play up to $30+ million dollars, at least internally. But I think it's probably fair to do so regardless for people outside of the franchise. Even us fans. That's a lot of money.

I dunno, I kind of look at it the other way. We're not paying him that money so if anyone should be expecting it, it's the person cutting his checks. But again, we knew he wasn't a top ten player in the league when we signed him, obviously.

Of course he's not playing like the top 30 guy we thought he was either so...

 

[Dali]

I dunno, I kind of look at it the other way. We're not paying him that money so if anyone should be expecting it, it's the person cutting his checks. But again, we knew he wasn't a top ten player in the league when we signed him, obviously.

Of course he's not playing like the top 30 guy we thought he was either so...

I suppose it all comes down to expectations. I think if you want him to play up to his contract then that's a fair assessment. On the other hand, if you don't necessarily think he should, then that's a fair assessment too. That's all subjective, depending on the person.

There will always be an objectivity aspect to it though. And I feel that that particular objectivity will lean towards expecting a certain level of 'productivity compared to pay' result. Especially as you said, to the people cutting his cheque.

 

[Zombie]

I suppose it all comes down to expectations. I think if you want him to play up to his contract then that's a fair assessment. On the other hand, if you don't necessarily think he should, then that's a fair assessment too. That's all subjective, depending on the person.

There will always be an objectivity aspect to it though. And I feel that that particular objectivity will lean towards expecting a certain level of 'productivity compared to pay' result. Especially as you said, to the people cutting his cheque.

In a vacuum i think it's fine for fans or whatever to judge players by their contracts. But in this case, where we've known for years that Conley is overpaid it just seems pointless to expect that kind of play from him now.

 

[Dali]

In a vacuum i think it's fine for fans or whatever to judge players by their contracts. But in this case, where we've known for years that Conley is overpaid it just seems pointless to expect that kind of play from him now.

Yep, everybody's entitled to set what their expectations are. Agreed bud.

 

[mellow]

If you're expecting top ten play from Conley because he's a top ten paid guy, you're going to be disappointed.

Can I expect an offensive rating in the top 70% of the league? Or higher than Mudiay, or Rubio?

Because if that is a fair expectation, I will then be disappointed.

 

[Zombie]

Can I expect an offensive rating in the top 70% of the league? Or higher than Mudiay, or Rubio?

Because if that is a fair expectation, I will then be disappointed.

Oh most definitely lol, at least so far.

 

[Archie Moses]

Mike Conley signed an 153 million dollar deal in 2016. He's being paid over 32 million dollars this year, more than any Jazz player in history.

13 games in and the dude blows. I mean, he's had OK games and I get it takes time, but he's paid like a superstar and performs like Stormy Daniels.

Mitchell is trying to do much now.

Trust me, I'd love to eat crow about Conley, but this has been so mediocre.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/mike-conley-still-looks-buy-094547325.html

Buy low guy. Lol

 

[ChicAggie]

Stat...........Conley..........Rubio
OffRtg..........96...............113
DefRtg........104...............104
NetRtg........ -8................ +9
PER...........11.1...............17.0
APG............4.1................8.7
TOPG..........2.5................2.2
A/TO..........1.65...............3.96
3P%......... .329............... .375
TS%......... .483............... .523
WS/48...... .046............... .162
VORP........ 0.0................ 0.4
+/- .......... -1.5............... +2.6

As a fan who views the NBA through Jazz-colored glasses, I can't believe these stats will hold true over the course of the entire season, but after 13 games for Conley and 10 games for Rubio this season, it is beginning to look like we gave up a significant amount of assets to downgrade our PG situation dramatically. Conley has been awful except in about 6-7 quarters of basketball out of 52 played. Will he turn it around consistently? I hope so, but I have my doubts.

I don't think Conley's paycheck has anything to do with my expectations. I simply hoped he would be a nice upgrade at the PG position, and so far he has not been anything close. I have to believe the Jazz would be either undefeated or close to it if we had 2019 Ricky running the point. Again, things may change, but my hope for Conley is starting to sour. While he may be a great teammate, he has been terrible on the court. Get better, Conley. Thank you.

 

[checkbookdoc]

I am confident that we would be better right now if we had not traded for Conley, kept Rubio, and replaced Favors with Bojan.

Somehow, the offense of our closing lineup last year ran better than our current team. I don't think the problem is Bojan, because he seems to fit the offense really well. Mike just doesn't seem to contribute to the offense well, and I am not sure why. I would love to see more of Gobert, Bojan, Royce, Joe, & Donovan together (only played 11 minutes so far).

However, there is no doubt that if everything clicks in with the team the ceiling is higher with Mike than Rubio. The hope is that by the end of the year the Jazz are in sync. We have a lot of new rotation pieces this year, going to take a while to integrate everyone.

 

[Jazzta]

Stat...........Conley..........Rubio
OffRtg..........96...............113
DefRtg........104...............104
NetRtg........ -8................ +9
PER...........11.1...............17.0
APG............4.1................8.7
TOPG..........2.5................2.2
A/TO..........1.65...............3.96
3P%......... .329............... .375
TS%......... .483............... .523
WS/48...... .046............... .162
VORP........ 0.0................ 0.4
+/- .......... -1.5............... +2.6

As a fan who views the NBA through Jazz-colored glasses, I can't believe these stats will hold true over the course of the entire season, but after 13 games for Conley and 10 games for Rubio this season, it is beginning to look like we gave up a significant amount of assets to downgrade our PG situation dramatically. Conley has been awful except in about 6-7 quarters of basketball out of 52 played. Will he turn it around consistently? I hope so, but I have my doubts.

I don't think Conley's paycheck has anything to do with my expectations. I simply hoped he would be a nice upgrade at the PG position, and so far he has not been anything close. I have to believe the Jazz would be either undefeated or close to it if we had 2019 Ricky running the point. Again, things may change, but my hope for Conley is starting to sour. While he may be a great teammate, he has been terrible on the court. Get better, Conley. Thank you.

Those numbers are quite telling, I would have gone after a stretch 4 instead.

 

[//r00t 4 Jazz]

He wasn't the solution either. Conley needs to play like 32 million. Mitchell is trying too hard cause guys like Conley are playing like role players.

Conley is paid to be a star. Dude is 2019 Stormy Daniels.

Well several people ended up addressing this already but I'll reply anyway. If you ever at any point thought Conley was a 32million dollar player since the day the Grizz signed him to that contract that is on you. He was never that and will never be that.

When the trade rumor was brought up last season I initially hated it for that very reason. However after completely removing the contract and just looked at the player production I became excited about the possibilities that it could do for the Jazz.

But yes he has not preformed up to hopes or expectations thus far into the season. But heck the entire Jazz offense hasn't, you can take any player and they have been inconsistent and bad one night and good the next. Problem is both the consistency and the lows have been way worse than at least I could've imagined, man those lows are so bad it's horribadful for each and every player so far this season.

 

[Archie Moses]

Well several people ended up addressing this already but I'll reply anyway. If you ever at any point thought Conley was a 32million dollar player since the day the Grizz signed him to that contract that is on you. He was never that and will never be that.

When the trade rumor was brought up last season I initially hated it for that very reason. However after completely removing the contract and just looked at the player production I became excited about the possibilities that it could do for the Jazz.

But yes he has not preformed up to hopes or expectations thus far into the season. But heck the entire Jazz offense hasn't, you can take any player and they have been inconsistent and bad one night and good the next. Problem is both the consistency and the lows have been way worse than at least I could've imagined, man those lows are so bad it's horribadful for each and every player so far this season.

I never thought he's a 32 million guy a year. Never once. Never will. I'll still judge him for it.

The dude is at most a 10 million dude a year at this point.

If you don't understand why he's been a disappointment this season, then that's on you.

 

[Jazz4ever]

I don't think you're wrong, but I also don't think the Jazz necessarily brought him over expecting him to be a 32 million dollar a year guy. That's not what we need from him, that's what we need from Don.

Sounds like a recipe for a very mediocre team. Have you seen our bench? That's the result of having a 32.5m a year player. Conley needs to perform big time, or we're ****ed.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Last night felt like a turning point for Conley. He's had other good games where he got hot, but last night it was under control, efficient, and he was finding guys... also no turnovers... saw him probe the defense on a couple pick and rolls were he kept his dribble and reset the offense... passing up on the midrange shot. That is the Mike Conley I expected to see a lot of this year.