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The Adjustment that Should be made but Won't

The Pearl said:
Hayward over Bell. Oh well hell, problem solved. Great idea.
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Sure yeah that is what I meant. Yes Hayward is God and King and will overwhelm the NBA. That is obviously the ultimate answer for any team not just the Jazz. How can any of us be so stupid!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggXmKPMaHMo&feature=related

You crack me up. An idea is presented that might be better than what we have now, and you disregard every other single discussion on this entire forum and jump straight to the conclusion that someone thinks that is the ultimate answer for the Jazz. LOL and you disregard the entire point of our conversation entirely, that maybe some other logic than yours could be relevant. If you don't want to face that, then fine, but don't put words in my mouth (keyboard?). I guess whatever makes you feel like you are getting the upper hand.
 
The Pearl said:
It is too radical and outside the box for JOC but the move that could seriously improve the Jazz and provide the best opportunity for them to go deeper into the playoffs
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Since when has this been the goal of this coaching staff? They've rarely put players in the position to win. You and I both know this, so to come here and suggest a move that will never happen, is both insulting and facetious.
 
VINYLONE said:
Since when has this been the goal of this coaching staff? They've rarely put players in the position to win. You and I both know this, so to come here and suggest a move that will never happen, is both insulting and facetious.
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Sadly, yep.
 
I don't know about starting Watson at PG but I like how the team runs a lot more when Watson and Deron are both on the floor. I also believe that playing Deron at the 2 actually INCREASES his opportunities to get an assist as it would likely be more in the flow of the offense as oppose to a simplistic drop-off/lob/PNR play where it doesn't involve 3 other players. I wouldn't play Deron there more than 15 MPG, though, but I think it should be explored more. And Hayward and CJ should play more too. And Bell is told to take a cold shower and practice jumpers for a week before being let back onto the floor.
 
Watson is a good point guard for our system, he has (by far) the 3rd best adjusted +/- on the team and without the play of him and the bench unit to dig us out of our 1st quarter we would be at .500 right now.
Knowing that, Deron could absolutely be moved to the SG spot. His length disadvantage on D is no worse than his somewhat slow foot speed defending quick PG's. His shooting accuracy noticeably increases to downright deadly on off the ball catch and shoots.

The only way it works though is if we have size in our front court to help Deron with the big SG's. This is why Deron would not want to play SG currently imo. Millsap and Jefferson are getting outrebounded every night and its safe to assume Deron would be outrebounded by most opposing SG's. So I can't endorse it at this time.
 
YB85 said:
He's making the McLeods and Palacios look like Dream Teamers.
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Spot on sir.

And, I as well have thought over and propositioned this Deron starting at the 2 thing.... it's good folks! Let's get it done. Get Raja as far down the bench as possible and keep him there. Also have someone take Memo out back and shoot him for Christ's sake.
 
Deron could be sold on the idea. You explain that it's only for the this season, right now, and that his role will be like Roy's used to be--playing alongside a PG but handling the ball more than any other player AND the idea is to always get the ball in his hands when the clock winds down.

But as to Viny's point, this whole discussion is theoretical. Our coach absolutely believes we need Raja Bell on the floor 30 minutes a night. As long as that keeps happening, nothing else matters.
 
Honestly we have a potential HOF point guard, arguably the very best in the league right now, and you people want him to stop playing point guard.

I agree whole-heartedly Raja needs to be benched except for maybe 3 minutes per game. But for hell's sake, play another of our guards over him first. Watson had a nice game, really came through for us. But to pull Deron out of his spot, as best in the league, to have him play a spot where he would be pretty good (yes I know better than we have right now, but that is different than "best in the league") would be to hamper us at 2 spots. The net would not be better than what we would have if we simply started Hayward or CJ alongside Deron.

Sure Deron and Watson together is a good weapon to be used when we need it and it fits the situation. Getting Raja out of the regular rotation while keeping Deron at PG would help us more.
 
It isnt IF we have a possible HOF PG, it IS what is best for the team.
If a great SG and an above average PG are better for the team than a crap SG and a HOF PG, then it makes sense.
I agree with the original idea, but realise, as stated, it wont happen. I do think it would be a big boost. Watson and DWill would run people over.
 
Scorpjazz said:
It isnt IF we have a possible HOF PG, it IS what is best for the team.
If a great SG and an above average PG are better for the team than a crap SG and a HOF PG, then it makes sense.
I agree with the original idea, but realise, as stated, it wont happen. I do think it would be a big boost. Watson and DWill would run people over.
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So how about an average SG and HOF PG? Bring in CJ or Hayward over Bell, and you keep the HOF aspect and add an average aspect. I would not put Deron among the elite in the NBA as a SG. Above average? Sure. Watson is not necessarily above average PG on a consistent basis. I would have to say he is fairly average as PG go. He had a nice game and suddenly he is just a notch below Deron. Be realistic. So for the math.

HOF PG + Avg SG > Avg PG + Above Avg SG

or

DW + CJ or GH > CW + DW

As far as best for the team, right now best for the team is get Bell out of there however we need to. And it makes more sense to play one of our younger developing guys who is a natural 2 than the play an aging Watson (i.e. not really a long-term option) and Deron out of position.


But you are right that it won't happen, either way. Bell will play out the season averaging 26+ min per game while CJ gets sporadic time (which doesn't help his consistency issues) off the bench and Hayward, who showed signs of promise, gets nothing. And the Watson/Deron combo will get limited use, if much at all.
 
Funny, but I do not think everyone here failed to state why it won't happen. We all know it so well it goes unspoken: Sloan.
 
The way I see it we have multiple weaknesses in our lineups right now. We've already seen DWill and Watson together, and we definitely get a spark offensively. When its Price and Watson, our defense becomes quite pesky, and more effective and high-energy.
No question AK is a more consistant contributor at PF than at SF. The man is a terrible dribbler at SF; is there a slower SF in the NBA? Now at PF, he is quicker than most, and that gives opponents fits.
If we had a healthy Okur, I would use Okur and Jefferson together, bringing Millsap's high energy off the bench.
I also like Hayward starting at SG over Raja Bell. He is the future, so why not give him some experience now? Hayward's defense is really not near as bad as many of us thought, and Bell ain't exactly lightin' it up offensively...
 
It might work for a few games but teams will sooner or later figure out the weaknesses. We already are undersized in the frontcourt and now we will be undersized in the backcourt prompting big SGs of other teams to post up Deron and wear him down on a daily basis. Watson wont be guarded closely either.
I still think that if at Bell has to be sat down Hayward or Miles should be given a crack at that before we risk more by putting Deron in there. Deron already gets banged up enough playing PG.
 
Bump.

I didn't really follow the entire argument, but it seems like last night's game had a little something for everyone here. Fes and the rooks played, D-Will at the 2, AK and Okur on the bench... it was a Jazzfanz trifecta!
 
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