The "answer" this offseason lies in how big a jump the young guys make. If anything these playoffs have shown again and again that you need 2 if not 3 legit stars and 3-4 solid role players to even have a chance. What you guys are discussing about, Brandon Rush or Wes Mathews, are role players at best. We need the stars first. Can Favors and Burks take it to the next level next season? Does Hayward have another level in him or is he just going to be a decent 6th man? Can Kanter become a Perkins with better offense? These are the things that will determine where this franchise is headed..unless KOC has it in him to trade Al or Devin along with one of our young guys for a legit star rightaway. Jazz dont know who their go-to guy is yet, remember that.
The answer this off season.
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Please hand me some of that Kool-Aid when you are done with it.
jazzfan1971
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I think we are going to have a quiet year as far as player adds goes. Maybe we'll shake things up with a trade or two, but, even that's a long shot.
Harris, Tinsley, Watson
Burks, Bell
Hayward, Carroll
Millsap, Favors, Evans
Jefferson, Kanter
Throw in a 2nd rounder, say Kostas Papanikolaou (Who ever, just seems like we'd draft a guy named Kostas) and you've got 13 players. Maybe give Howard one more year or leave open a roster spot for some undrafted rook and you're done.
It's sad but true. This team is probably doing a lot of treading water this year. If we can find a good deal for our expirings I imagine we'll take it, but, I really don't see us being a player in free agency beyond some roster fill guy on a cheap, one year deal.
Harris, Tinsley, Watson
Burks, Bell
Hayward, Carroll
Millsap, Favors, Evans
Jefferson, Kanter
Throw in a 2nd rounder, say Kostas Papanikolaou (Who ever, just seems like we'd draft a guy named Kostas) and you've got 13 players. Maybe give Howard one more year or leave open a roster spot for some undrafted rook and you're done.
It's sad but true. This team is probably doing a lot of treading water this year. If we can find a good deal for our expirings I imagine we'll take it, but, I really don't see us being a player in free agency beyond some roster fill guy on a cheap, one year deal.
BluesRocker
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I found the koolaid here at Jazzfanz. I have never liked it but I am giving it a try. I could have swore you like the koolaid too.
mellow
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I agree with you, I am expecting a quiet draft and a quiet year.
Expiring Boozer nothing
Expiring AK nothing
Expring Memo 2nd round pick
Expiring Howard nothing
Everyone keeps talking about trading Milsap, Big Al or Harris. KOC just doesn't have the track record.
theNBAnerd
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technically that's not correct. we got al jefferson in exchange for boozer in a non-simultaneous trade (TPE).
for memo we got a 10.5M TPE that doesn't expire for another six months. might turn into nothing, but it's too early to say that.
true that we got nothing for AK except that technically we still have his rights, so we could potentially get something in a S&T if he was serious about a comeback in the NBA.
and howard?? howard was a minimum contract, so it's not like his expiring contract was an asset to begin with.
NAOS
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(my comments in caps)
NAOS
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beat me to it.
theNBAnerd
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i just noticed how we basically hit that one in unison.
Chargers Jazz Angels
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Nah NOAS was off pitch.
vslice02
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Not to mention the fact Memo was 31 and coming off a ruptured achilles and bad back, AK was 30 and injury-prone, and Howard was 32 and also had multiple issues with his knees. Jefferson and Millsap are both 27, pretty durable and still in the prime of their careers so it's not really an apples-to-apples comparison in terms of expiring contracts.
blackham9258
Member
This trade is ridiculous. For starters we do not want to tie up our mid-level on a mediocre player like Brandon Rush. If you offer 4/25M which is the roughly more than MLE that was suggested you have just signed a millstone around your cap space. KOC needs to find players like Danny Greene, Josh Howard, Demarre Carrol for minimum or close to minimum. Don't get me wrong I like Rush, but unless you can get a player like him for 2/$8M or 3/$10-$12M you are overpaying. If he is your starter, you are a mediocre team... if he is your bench guy you are okay.
I would use our cap space to just take on the Trevor Ariza contract... Sure he makes $15M over the next two but he is signed for only two. Also, it is very possible that you can pick up the #10 pick by taking on that contract... (perhaps we would have to include a pick lottery protected next year) but the point is... is we don't have and we don't want to sign a mediocre SF for more than 2 years. With this trade we can take a better player than Marshall, perhaps Lillard and we didn't have to give up our near all stars Jefferson and Millsap.
As far as picking up Marshall I am not convinced he has the athleticism to make it... but lets assume he does... a simple swapping of picks somewhere between 14-21 should do the trick.... I personally think Marshall will fall out of the top 20 based on his lack of athleticism. I think Mark Cuban would be all over trading #17 if we were to use our TPE to take on Odoms contract with the 2.5M buyout (saving him around $4M in cap space). In fact I think this is such a no brainer for Cuban to retain his cap space that I wouldn't be surprised if he would offer to pay the buyout just for the chance to keep that $4M in cap space to lure Deron Williams. KOC could easily be waiting for draft night to see if a player or two that he likes falls to 17 for him to scoop up.
I would love to see Lillard slip which I think is possible although not likely, Royce White, Zeiler, Terrence Ross, Quincy Miller etc. Somebody will fall and we can scoop them up without spending a dime.
I would use our cap space to just take on the Trevor Ariza contract... Sure he makes $15M over the next two but he is signed for only two. Also, it is very possible that you can pick up the #10 pick by taking on that contract... (perhaps we would have to include a pick lottery protected next year) but the point is... is we don't have and we don't want to sign a mediocre SF for more than 2 years. With this trade we can take a better player than Marshall, perhaps Lillard and we didn't have to give up our near all stars Jefferson and Millsap.
As far as picking up Marshall I am not convinced he has the athleticism to make it... but lets assume he does... a simple swapping of picks somewhere between 14-21 should do the trick.... I personally think Marshall will fall out of the top 20 based on his lack of athleticism. I think Mark Cuban would be all over trading #17 if we were to use our TPE to take on Odoms contract with the 2.5M buyout (saving him around $4M in cap space). In fact I think this is such a no brainer for Cuban to retain his cap space that I wouldn't be surprised if he would offer to pay the buyout just for the chance to keep that $4M in cap space to lure Deron Williams. KOC could easily be waiting for draft night to see if a player or two that he likes falls to 17 for him to scoop up.
I would love to see Lillard slip which I think is possible although not likely, Royce White, Zeiler, Terrence Ross, Quincy Miller etc. Somebody will fall and we can scoop them up without spending a dime.