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Al-O-Meter said:
Nope. Every plank in the GOP platform in this election has majority popular support. It does not matter the platform or the candidate chosen. With the current rules in place, no GOP candidate can win a national election. Kamala will beat Trump. A brain dead Joe Biden would beat Trump. If Dwayne 'The Rock' Johnson suddenly decided he was a Republican and was on the ticket, a brain dead Joe Biden would have beat him too. The current system cannot be beat.
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Lol at you thinking that women not having choice has majority popular support.

Even if what you say it true then you need to champion these popular planks instead of making the "deep state leftists are ruining the country" rhetoric your loudest message. And you need to do with a candidate who doesn't have such a low approval rating.

That is what most Americans see the Republican platform as. As long as Trump is the Republican candidate the election will be about whether you like trump or dont. Most people don't. So the best way to win THIS election is to not have trump be the candidate.

You blame any election loss on the way elections are done and ballot harvesting and whatever other crap. What you should be blaming the upcoming election loss on is WHO the Republican party is running.

Run Nikki Hailey and millions of voters, like myself, don't vote for the Democratic candidate. Then these ballots that the Democrats are harvesting are going to have less with Harris as the choice who was chosen on the ballot. Run trump and we do vote for Harris. It's quite simple. Trump is ruining the Republican parties chance of winning a presidential election way more than anything else.

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fishonjazz said:
Lol at you thinking that women not having choice has majority popular support.

Even if what you say it true then you need to champion these popular planks instead of making the "deep state leftists are ruining the country" rhetoric your loudest message. And you need to do with a candidate who doesn't have such a low approval rating.

That is what most Americans see the Republican platform as. As long as Trump is the Republican candidate the election will be about whether you like trump or dont. Most people don't. So the best way to win THIS election is to not have trump be the candidate.

You blame any election loss on the way elections are done and ballot harvesting and whatever other crap. What you should be blaming the upcoming election loss on is WHO the Republican party is running.

Run Nikki Hailey and millions of voters, like myself, don't vote for the Democratic candidate. Then these ballots that the Democrats are harvesting are going to have less with Harris as the choice who was chosen on the ballot. Run trump and we do vote for Harris. It's quite simple. Trump is ruining the Republican parties chance of winning a presidential election way more than anything else.

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The platform is like>

END INFLATION
STOP THE MIGRANT INVASION
STOP OUTSOURCING
TAX CUTS!!!!
PREVENT WORLD WAR 3
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
YEET REGULATION INTO THE SUN

I mean if you poll on some of that with no context...? You might get some guys to vote for world war 3, IDK.
 
fishonjazz said:
Lol at you thinking that women not having choice has majority popular support.
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That is not part of the 2024 GOP Platform. Here is the platform:

  1. SEAL THE BORDER, AND STOP THE MIGRANT INVASION
  2. CARRY OUT THE LARGEST DEPORTATION OPERATION IN AMERICAN HISTORY
  3. END INFLATION, AND MAKE AMERICA AFFORDABLE AGAIN
  4. MAKE AMERICA THE DOMINANT ENERGY PRODUCER IN THE WORLD, BY FAR!
  5. STOP OUTSOURCING, AND TURN THE UNITED STATES INTO A MANUFACTURING SUPERPOWER
  6. LARGE TAX CUTS FOR WORKERS, AND NO TAX ON TIPS!
  7. DEFEND OUR CONSTITUTION, OUR BILL OF RIGHTS, AND OUR FUNDAMENTAL FREEDOMS, INCLUDING FREEDOM OF SPEECH, FREEDOM OF RELIGION, AND THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS
  8. PREVENT WORLD WAR THREE, RESTORE PEACE IN EUROPE AND IN THE MIDDLE EAST, AND BUILD A GREAT IRON DOME MISSILE DEFENSE SHIELD OVER OUR ENTIRE COUNTRY -- ALL MADE IN AMERICA
  9. END THE WEAPONIZATION OF GOVERNMENT AGAINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
  10. STOP THE MIGRANT CRIME EPIDEMIC, DEMOLISH THE FOREIGN DRUG CARTELS, CRUSH GANG VIOLENCE, AND LOCK UP VIOLENT OFFENDERS
  11. REBUILD OUR CITIES, INCLUDING WASHINGTON DC, MAKING THEM SAFE, CLEAN, AND BEAUTIFUL AGAIN.
  12. STRENGTHEN AND MODERNIZE OUR MILITARY, MAKING IT, WITHOUT QUESTION, THE STRONGEST AND MOST POWERFUL IN THE WORLD
  13. KEEP THE U.S. DOLLAR AS THE WORLD'S RESERVE CURRENCY
  14. FIGHT FOR AND PROTECT SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE WITH NO CUTS, INCLUDING NO CHANGES TO THE RETIREMENT AGE
  15. CANCEL THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE MANDATE AND CUT COSTLY AND BURDENSOME REGULATIONS
  16. CUT FEDERAL FUNDING FOR ANY SCHOOL PUSHING CRITICAL RACE THEORY, RADICAL GENDER IDEOLOGY, AND OTHER INAPPROPRIATE RACIAL, SEXUAL, OR POLITICAL CONTENT ON OUR CHILDREN
  17. KEEP MEN OUT OF WOMEN'S SPORTS
  18. DEPORT PRO-HAMAS RADICALS AND MAKE OUR COLLEGE CAMPUSES SAFE AND PATRIOTIC AGAIN
  19. SECURE OUR ELECTIONS, INCLUDING SAME DAY VOTING, VOTER IDENTIFICATION, PAPER BALLOTS, AND PROOF OF CITIZENSHIP
  20. UNITE OUR COUNTRY BY BRINGING IT TO NEW AND RECORD LEVELS OF SUCCESS

2024 Republican Party Platform | The American Presidency Project

www.presidency.ucsb.edu www.presidency.ucsb.edu

Every plank has majority popular support. It doesn't matter.
 
Al-O-Meter said:
That is not part of the 2024 GOP Platform. Here is the platform:

  1. SEAL THE BORDER, AND STOP THE MIGRANT INVASION
  2. CARRY OUT THE LARGEST DEPORTATION OPERATION IN AMERICAN HISTORY
  3. END INFLATION, AND MAKE AMERICA AFFORDABLE AGAIN
  4. MAKE AMERICA THE DOMINANT ENERGY PRODUCER IN THE WORLD, BY FAR!
  5. STOP OUTSOURCING, AND TURN THE UNITED STATES INTO A MANUFACTURING SUPERPOWER
  6. LARGE TAX CUTS FOR WORKERS, AND NO TAX ON TIPS!
  7. DEFEND OUR CONSTITUTION, OUR BILL OF RIGHTS, AND OUR FUNDAMENTAL FREEDOMS, INCLUDING FREEDOM OF SPEECH, FREEDOM OF RELIGION, AND THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS
  8. PREVENT WORLD WAR THREE, RESTORE PEACE IN EUROPE AND IN THE MIDDLE EAST, AND BUILD A GREAT IRON DOME MISSILE DEFENSE SHIELD OVER OUR ENTIRE COUNTRY -- ALL MADE IN AMERICA
  9. END THE WEAPONIZATION OF GOVERNMENT AGAINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
  10. STOP THE MIGRANT CRIME EPIDEMIC, DEMOLISH THE FOREIGN DRUG CARTELS, CRUSH GANG VIOLENCE, AND LOCK UP VIOLENT OFFENDERS
  11. REBUILD OUR CITIES, INCLUDING WASHINGTON DC, MAKING THEM SAFE, CLEAN, AND BEAUTIFUL AGAIN.
  12. STRENGTHEN AND MODERNIZE OUR MILITARY, MAKING IT, WITHOUT QUESTION, THE STRONGEST AND MOST POWERFUL IN THE WORLD
  13. KEEP THE U.S. DOLLAR AS THE WORLD'S RESERVE CURRENCY
  14. FIGHT FOR AND PROTECT SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE WITH NO CUTS, INCLUDING NO CHANGES TO THE RETIREMENT AGE
  15. CANCEL THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE MANDATE AND CUT COSTLY AND BURDENSOME REGULATIONS
  16. CUT FEDERAL FUNDING FOR ANY SCHOOL PUSHING CRITICAL RACE THEORY, RADICAL GENDER IDEOLOGY, AND OTHER INAPPROPRIATE RACIAL, SEXUAL, OR POLITICAL CONTENT ON OUR CHILDREN
  17. KEEP MEN OUT OF WOMEN'S SPORTS
  18. DEPORT PRO-HAMAS RADICALS AND MAKE OUR COLLEGE CAMPUSES SAFE AND PATRIOTIC AGAIN
  19. SECURE OUR ELECTIONS, INCLUDING SAME DAY VOTING, VOTER IDENTIFICATION, PAPER BALLOTS, AND PROOF OF CITIZENSHIP
  20. UNITE OUR COUNTRY BY BRINGING IT TO NEW AND RECORD LEVELS OF SUCCESS

2024 Republican Party Platform | The American Presidency Project

www.presidency.ucsb.edu www.presidency.ucsb.edu

Every plank has majority popular support. It doesn't matter.
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Yep. Trump is who the Republican party chose. That, more than anything else, is what will be responsible for the election loss.
Trump is the platform that trumps any other platform. Trump is the Republican party platform unfortunately for them

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Al-O-Meter said:
That could be said of the system through 2016. That is not true of the system now under the changes enacted during the COVID pandemic. With the current rules in place, no GOP candidate can win a national election.
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What change? Voting became more convenient. You might as well be saying more voters = GOP losing. Tragic, I guess. The GOP shouldn't win if they can't appeal to more people.
 
Al-O-Meter said:
That is not part of the 2024 GOP Platform. Here is the platform:

  1. SEAL THE BORDER, AND STOP THE MIGRANT INVASION
  2. CARRY OUT THE LARGEST DEPORTATION OPERATION IN AMERICAN HISTORY
  3. END INFLATION, AND MAKE AMERICA AFFORDABLE AGAIN
  4. MAKE AMERICA THE DOMINANT ENERGY PRODUCER IN THE WORLD, BY FAR!
  5. STOP OUTSOURCING, AND TURN THE UNITED STATES INTO A MANUFACTURING SUPERPOWER
  6. LARGE TAX CUTS FOR WORKERS, AND NO TAX ON TIPS!
  7. DEFEND OUR CONSTITUTION, OUR BILL OF RIGHTS, AND OUR FUNDAMENTAL FREEDOMS, INCLUDING FREEDOM OF SPEECH, FREEDOM OF RELIGION, AND THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS
  8. PREVENT WORLD WAR THREE, RESTORE PEACE IN EUROPE AND IN THE MIDDLE EAST, AND BUILD A GREAT IRON DOME MISSILE DEFENSE SHIELD OVER OUR ENTIRE COUNTRY -- ALL MADE IN AMERICA
  9. END THE WEAPONIZATION OF GOVERNMENT AGAINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
  10. STOP THE MIGRANT CRIME EPIDEMIC, DEMOLISH THE FOREIGN DRUG CARTELS, CRUSH GANG VIOLENCE, AND LOCK UP VIOLENT OFFENDERS
  11. REBUILD OUR CITIES, INCLUDING WASHINGTON DC, MAKING THEM SAFE, CLEAN, AND BEAUTIFUL AGAIN.
  12. STRENGTHEN AND MODERNIZE OUR MILITARY, MAKING IT, WITHOUT QUESTION, THE STRONGEST AND MOST POWERFUL IN THE WORLD
  13. KEEP THE U.S. DOLLAR AS THE WORLD'S RESERVE CURRENCY
  14. FIGHT FOR AND PROTECT SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE WITH NO CUTS, INCLUDING NO CHANGES TO THE RETIREMENT AGE
  15. CANCEL THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE MANDATE AND CUT COSTLY AND BURDENSOME REGULATIONS
  16. CUT FEDERAL FUNDING FOR ANY SCHOOL PUSHING CRITICAL RACE THEORY, RADICAL GENDER IDEOLOGY, AND OTHER INAPPROPRIATE RACIAL, SEXUAL, OR POLITICAL CONTENT ON OUR CHILDREN
  17. KEEP MEN OUT OF WOMEN'S SPORTS
  18. DEPORT PRO-HAMAS RADICALS AND MAKE OUR COLLEGE CAMPUSES SAFE AND PATRIOTIC AGAIN
  19. SECURE OUR ELECTIONS, INCLUDING SAME DAY VOTING, VOTER IDENTIFICATION, PAPER BALLOTS, AND PROOF OF CITIZENSHIP
  20. UNITE OUR COUNTRY BY BRINGING IT TO NEW AND RECORD LEVELS OF SUCCESS

2024 Republican Party Platform | The American Presidency Project

www.presidency.ucsb.edu www.presidency.ucsb.edu

Every plank has majority popular support. It doesn't matter.
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Won't #2 carrying out the largest deportation operation in American history INCREASE the cost of goods and services, which goes against #3 making America affordable again?
 
str8line said:
Won't #2 carrying out the largest deportation operation in American history INCREASE the cost of goods and services, which goes against #3 making America affordable again?
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And we must remember that trump says lots of stuff but knows very little and most of it. Most Americans realize this.
Things can be popular with people but if the people know that trump sucks at delivering on the things he says then the things he says doesn't really matter.

Mexico paying for the wall was popular. Fixing healthcare was popular.

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Safetydan said:
The GOP shouldn't win if they can't appeal to more people.
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Appealing to more people is irrelevant. Only about half of voters actually vote on their own. That means half of all potential votes are just sitting there. The changes for convenience, as you describe them, enable campaign staff to go house to house and offer the service of getting a vote to a counting center for a voter. It is like Uber Votes, with the tab being paid by the campaigns, but the vote couriers only visit addresses listed as being registered with their party. The sheer number of lazy apathetic voters means the vote couriers can overcome organic popularity of an issue or candidate. The population density of those registered democrat means the couriers contracted by the democrats have an advantage over courier contracted by the republicans. The end result is that no GOP candidate can win a national election regardless of how popular their platform or how popular they are personally. A braindead Joe Biden would beat Dwayne The Rock Johnson under the current system even if The Rock were opinion polling with a 10% lead.
 
str8line said:
Won't #2 carrying out the largest deportation operation in American history INCREASE the cost of goods and services, which goes against #3 making America affordable again?
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Possibly. Some have argued that opening the border in the way Biden did was what facilitated the economy's soft landing. IDK if those list items will result in good things for bad things, but I do know all them have majority public support.
 
www.whitehouse.gov

FACT SHEET: President Biden Announces Bold Plan to Reform the Supreme Court and Ensure No President Is Above the Law | The White House

From his first day in office—and every day since then—President Biden has taken action to strengthen American democracy and protect the rule of law. In
www.whitehouse.gov www.whitehouse.gov

  1. No Immunity for Crimes a Former President Committed in Office: President Biden shares the Founders’ belief that the President’s power is limited—not absolute—and must ultimately reside with the people. He is calling for a constitutional amendment that makes clear no President is above the law or immune from prosecution for crimes committed while in office. This No One Is Above the Law Amendment will state that the Constitution does not confer any immunity from federal criminal indictment, trial, conviction, or sentencing by virtue of previously serving as President.
  1. Term Limits for Supreme Court Justices: Congress approved term limits for the Presidency over 75 years ago, and President Biden believes they should do the same for the Supreme Court. The United States is the only major constitutional democracy that gives lifetime seats to its high court Justices. Term limits would help ensure that the Court’s membership changes with some regularity; make timing for Court nominations more predictable and less arbitrary; and reduce the chance that any single Presidency imposes undue influence for generations to come. President Biden supports a system in which the President would appoint a Justice every two years to spend eighteen years in active service on the Supreme Court.
  1. Binding Code of Conduct for the Supreme Court:President Biden believes that Congress should pass binding, enforceable conduct and ethics rules that require Justices to disclose gifts, refrain from public political activity, and recuse themselves from cases in which they or their spouses have financial or other conflicts of interest. Supreme Court Justices should not be exempt from the enforceable code of conduct that applies to every other federal judge.
 
Al-O-Meter said:
Appealing to more people is irrelevant. Only about half of voters actually vote on their own. That means half of all potential votes are just sitting there. The changes for convenience, as you describe them, enable campaign staff to go house to house and offer the service of getting a vote to a counting center for a voter. It is like Uber Votes, with the tab being paid by the campaigns, but the vote couriers only visit addresses listed as being registered with their party. The sheer number of lazy apathetic voters means the vote couriers can overcome organic popularity of an issue or candidate. The population density of those registered democrat means the couriers contracted by the democrats have an advantage over courier contracted by the republicans. The end result is that no GOP candidate can win a national election regardless of how popular their platform or how popular they are personally. A braindead Joe Biden would beat Dwayne The Rock Johnson under the current system even if The Rock were opinion polling with a 10% lead.
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Fwiw I have never seen or heard of a single first hand account of a campaign staff person going to anyone's residence to harvest a ballot

Most likely this is a Boogeyman that the fake news media has told you in an effort to trigger you based off your algorithms

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Red said:
www.whitehouse.gov

FACT SHEET: President Biden Announces Bold Plan to Reform the Supreme Court and Ensure No President Is Above the Law | The White House

From his first day in office—and every day since then—President Biden has taken action to strengthen American democracy and protect the rule of law. In
www.whitehouse.gov www.whitehouse.gov

  1. No Immunity for Crimes a Former President Committed in Office: President Biden shares the Founders’ belief that the President’s power is limited—not absolute—and must ultimately reside with the people. He is calling for a constitutional amendment that makes clear no President is above the law or immune from prosecution for crimes committed while in office. This No One Is Above the Law Amendment will state that the Constitution does not confer any immunity from federal criminal indictment, trial, conviction, or sentencing by virtue of previously serving as President.
  1. Term Limits for Supreme Court Justices: Congress approved term limits for the Presidency over 75 years ago, and President Biden believes they should do the same for the Supreme Court. The United States is the only major constitutional democracy that gives lifetime seats to its high court Justices. Term limits would help ensure that the Court’s membership changes with some regularity; make timing for Court nominations more predictable and less arbitrary; and reduce the chance that any single Presidency imposes undue influence for generations to come. President Biden supports a system in which the President would appoint a Justice every two years to spend eighteen years in active service on the Supreme Court.
  1. Binding Code of Conduct for the Supreme Court:President Biden believes that Congress should pass binding, enforceable conduct and ethics rules that require Justices to disclose gifts, refrain from public political activity, and recuse themselves from cases in which they or their spouses have financial or other conflicts of interest. Supreme Court Justices should not be exempt from the enforceable code of conduct that applies to every other federal judge.
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It's quite telling that Biden, who is the current president, doesn't want immunity from being tried for any crimes he commits while in office.
Trump, for some reason, really desires immunity from crimes committed while president.

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fishonjazz said:
Fwiw I have never seen or heard of a single first hand account of a campaign staff person going to anyone's residence to harvest a ballot
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The most obvious example was Wisconsin. The vertical line at 5PM was the ballot harvesting operation dropping off their day's work. Many at the time said it was evidence of fraud, but they were wrong. This is 100% legal and every one of those was a real vote. This system is still in place today. Undoubtedly they're going to be smarter and not drop it off in one go like they did in 2020 but the effect to the election's outcome will be the same.

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Al-O-Meter said:
The most obvious example was Wisconsin. The vertical line at 5PM was the ballot harvesting operation dropping off their day's work. Many at the time said it was evidence of fraud, but they were wrong. This is 100% legal and every one of those was a real vote. This system is still in place today. Undoubtedly they're going to be smarter and not drop it off in one go like they did in 2020 but the effect to the election's outcome will be the same.

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Yep. I have never seen or heard from a human of this actually happening.

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fishonjazz said:
Yep. I have never seen or heard from a human of this actually happening.
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I don't know what to tell you because even before the harvesting rules were put into place, they used to do this except that it was a lot harder. They'd rent vans that would transport voters to the polls. All of this is what is referred to as "ground game". If you use that term in your search, you will find a wealth of responses from outlets across the spectrum. As for your personal experience and of those around you, of course you won't see it. You live in Utah. This sort of thing costs a lot of money. No one is going to spend on such an operation in Utah. CNN might as well call Utah for Trump right now. I also won't see it in California. Things would be very different if you lived in Detroit, MI or Madison, WI.
 
Red said:
www.whitehouse.gov

FACT SHEET: President Biden Announces Bold Plan to Reform the Supreme Court and Ensure No President Is Above the Law | The White House

From his first day in office—and every day since then—President Biden has taken action to strengthen American democracy and protect the rule of law. In
www.whitehouse.gov www.whitehouse.gov

  1. No Immunity for Crimes a Former President Committed in Office: President Biden shares the Founders’ belief that the President’s power is limited—not absolute—and must ultimately reside with the people. He is calling for a constitutional amendment that makes clear no President is above the law or immune from prosecution for crimes committed while in office. This No One Is Above the Law Amendment will state that the Constitution does not confer any immunity from federal criminal indictment, trial, conviction, or sentencing by virtue of previously serving as President.
  1. Term Limits for Supreme Court Justices: Congress approved term limits for the Presidency over 75 years ago, and President Biden believes they should do the same for the Supreme Court. The United States is the only major constitutional democracy that gives lifetime seats to its high court Justices. Term limits would help ensure that the Court’s membership changes with some regularity; make timing for Court nominations more predictable and less arbitrary; and reduce the chance that any single Presidency imposes undue influence for generations to come. President Biden supports a system in which the President would appoint a Justice every two years to spend eighteen years in active service on the Supreme Court.
  1. Binding Code of Conduct for the Supreme Court:President Biden believes that Congress should pass binding, enforceable conduct and ethics rules that require Justices to disclose gifts, refrain from public political activity, and recuse themselves from cases in which they or their spouses have financial or other conflicts of interest. Supreme Court Justices should not be exempt from the enforceable code of conduct that applies to every other federal judge.
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I look forward to Joe Biden getting on a stage to make an impassioned speech in support of his proposed constitutional amendment.
 
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