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fishonjazz said:
I cant really think of anything any president has done that has had a significant effect on my life for good or bad. Only thing that really comes to mind was the child tax credit which gave me an extra 2,000 bucks around tax time which was nice. Probably also increased inflation though.
I think if Bernie was president nothing significant would have happened to have effect my life for good or bad either (I did vote for him in the 2016 primaries and then for elizabeth warren in 2020). Government is made up of thousands of people at the state and federal level.
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Presidents continually ignoring anti-trust laws over the past 3 decades generating much higher prices over time eroding your disposable income. You could have had a much better truck, better vacations, more in your 401k, etc etc.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Presidents continually ignoring anti-trust laws over the past 3 decades generating much higher prices over time eroding your disposable income. You could have had a much better truck, better vacations, more in your 401k, etc etc.
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I don't think that happened because the presidents ignored it. I think it's because thousands of people involved ignored it including us, the average US citizen. We never prioritize things like that when we vote, why would government? When there are town halls or Q and A with government employees I doubt anti trust laws come up very often.

Also, I'm good with my truck, vacations, 401k etc. I have it way better than most everyone else in all the other countries in the world. I got no complaints.

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Safetydan said:
No. This is patently false. She's disappointingly moderate in every conceivable way.

Just goes to show everybody that once again, it doesn't ****ing matter how fast a Democrat runs to the center, they'll always be painted as extreme. You don't need to accept the narrative though.
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her problem is she's only been running to the centre to get elected. And can't even articulate centrist policies and why she has apparently changed her mind on so many issues. She's been even worse than i expected. How someone running against Trump isn't up by 5-6 points beggars belief
 
fishonjazz said:
I don't think that happened because the presidents ignored it. I think it's because thousands of people involved ignored it including us, the average US citizen. We never prioritize things like that when we vote, why would government? When there are town halls or Q and A with government employees I doubt anti trust laws come up very often.

Also, I'm good with my truck, vacations, 401k etc. I have it way better than most everyone else in all the other countries in the world. I got no complaints.

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This is crazy. How can we vote for things that aren't on the ballot?
 
Douchebag K said:
her problem is she's only been running to the centre to get elected. And can't even articulate centrist policies and why she has apparently changed her mind on so many issues. She's been even worse than i expected. How someone running against Trump isn't up by 5-6 points beggars belief
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Yes, but also I don't buy that if she's elected she's suddenly going to go left or something. That doesn't happen. If she's going to get painted as an extremist either way, her campaign should lean into her and Tim Walz's progressive record (very popular things if messaged correctly). This is a lesson the Democrats have refused to learn for three presidential cycles now. They'd rather lose or win on the flip of a coin than commit to progressive policy. Why? I think the answer is pretty obvious. The decision-makers at the top and those who influence them have a material interest in never improving the lives of the average citizen.
 
Safetydan said:
Yes, but also I don't buy that if she's elected she's suddenly going to go left or something. That doesn't happen. If she's going to get painted as an extremist either way, her campaign should lean into her and Tim Walz's progressive record (very popular things if messaged correctly). This is a lesson the Democrats have refused to learn for three presidential cycles now. They'd rather lose or win on the flip of a coin than commit to progressive policy. Why? I think the answer is pretty obvious. The decision-makers at the top and those who influence them have a material interest in never improving the lives of the average citizen.
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Completely agree on all counts. Would've been fascinating to see what would have happened if Sanders didn't get shafted last time and had won the 2020 nomination
 
Safetydan said:
This is crazy. How can we vote for things that aren't on the ballot?
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I didn't vote for, just talk about. I never hear anyone ever talk about anti trust laws. Never see articles about it. Thread about it. Etc.
How do things get on the ballot? Why is immigration and inflation on the ballot this election?
 
Douchebag K said:
Completely agree on all counts. Would've been fascinating to see what would have happened if Sanders didn't get shafted last time and had won the 2020 nomination
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My guess? He would have been shouted down and worn down by trump and everyone saying he is a socialist and socialism never works. He would have been labeled as crazy. A far left extremist who wants to take your guns. He would have been placed into the culture wars. Im sure bernie would be supportive of the gays and trans community. He would get labeled as a weak sissy. He would be a marxist communist. Russia still would have been pumping out the misinformation in an effort to assist trump. SSDD. (I liked bernie a lot. I voted for him. And he MIGHT have been able to beat trump because of how bad trump sucks and he isn't a woman. But maybe not.)
 
fishonjazz said:
www.yahoo.com

The economy is a priority for Americans as they head to the polls. Here's what's really going on behind the numbers.

As people get ready to vote, here's the latest on job growth, federal debt, and other economic measures.
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The good news is that the economy is broadly doing pretty well these days.

"We've seen new highs for the stock market's major averages, falling inflation, the Federal Reserve shifting into easing mode and a job market close to the level associated with full employment," Mark Hamrick, a senior economic analyst at the financial-services company Bankrate, said in recent commentary.

Real disposable personal income per capita — a widely used measure of the money people have to spend or save — spiked in the early pandemic because of stimulus checks in 2020 and 2021 and the expanded child tax credit for the 2021 tax year.

While real disposable personal income per capita cooled off as inflation accelerated in 2022, it has been gradually rising — and is above where it was before the pandemic and close to the prepandemic growth trend.

This year, the S&P 500 has been historically high multiple times. MarketWatch reported Saturday that it had hit 47 record highs this year. This index of large publicly traded US companies reflects corporate America doing quite well, and the rising figures may be good for people's retirement-savings portfolios.

Reiman chalked it up to strong consumer spending, slowing inflation, and lower interest rates leading to higher corporate profits and valuations.
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Macroeconomic measures are woefully inadequate. When the average person in the US reads articles like this while they're on the struggle bus it feels like gaslighting. There's a reason economics is 2, arguably 3 of the top 4 issues for voters this election.

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Is it because they're too dumb to know that they're actually doing great? No. come on. It's because their economic prospects are genuinely poor and getting worse.

Unfortunately many are being manipulated into voting for DJT who will only add gas to the dumpster fire. This is a reality that the Democrats have refused to reckon with for a long time now.
 
fishonjazz said:
My guess? He would have been shouted down and worn down by trump and everyone saying he is a socialist and socialism never works. He would have been labeled as crazy. A far left extremist who wants to take your guns. He would have been placed into the culture wars. Im sure bernie would be supportive of the gays and trans community. He would get labeled as a weak sissy. He would be a marxist communist. Russia still would have been pumping out the misinformation in an effort to assist trump. SSDD. (I liked bernie a lot. I voted for him. And he MIGHT have been able to beat trump because of how bad trump sucks and he isn't a woman. But maybe not.)
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dunno From memory wasn't his polling against Trump pretty good ??
 
fishonjazz said:
I didn't vote for, just talk about. I never hear anyone ever talk about anti trust laws. Never see articles about it. Thread about it. Etc.
How do things get on the ballot? Why is immigration and inflation on the ballot this election?
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Now we're getting somewhere. Look up the term "manufactured consent"
 
Douchebag K said:
dunno From memory wasn't his polling against Trump pretty good ??
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LOL. Hillary was supposed to win in a landslide according to the polls.
 
Safetydan said:
Macroeconomic measures are woefully inadequate. When the average person in the US reads articles like this while they're on the struggle bus it feels like gaslighting. There's a reason economics is 2, arguably 3 of the top 4 issues for voters this election.

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Is it because they're too dumb to know that they're actually doing great? No. come on. It's because their economic prospects are genuinely poor and getting worse.

Unfortunately many are being manipulated into voting for DJT who will only add gas to the dumpster fire. This is a reality that the Democrats have refused to reckon with for a long time now.
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So what are the specific things that the democrats (kamala in this case) should have been campaigning on? What should the messaging have been regarding the economy. Be like " the economy sucks, and while i was part of the administration that it got real sucky I had nothing to do with it. It was all bidens ideas that caused the bad economy. I had great ideas but no one would listen to me because im a woman." "I'm gonna prevent any future pandemics so there are never any supply chain issues.". "If there ever is another disaster and Americans need financial help then I won't help them with stimulus money". I mean she has said she is going to go after price gouging and make the wealthy pay their taxes. First time home buyer credit/assistance. Those things are too extreme for some voters already lol.
 
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fishonjazz said:
LOL. Hillary was supposed to win in a landslide according to the polls.
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If I remember Bernie was polling even better. I think lack of enthusiasm and thus turnout is what lost Hillary the election. I think Bernie would have energized the base.

To Safetydan's point, it's even crazier that the Democratic party doesn't lean into the base to energize them and increase turnout because turnout is and has been the biggest factor in winning vs losing for the Dems. It is why the Republican party brazenly fights to suppress voters. I mean they don't care who sees them trying to make voting harder for the sake of making it harder.
 
Sardines said:
If I remember Bernie was polling even better. I think lack of enthusiasm and thus turnout is what lost Hillary the election. I think Bernie would have energized the base.

To Safetydan's point, it's even crazier that the Democratic party doesn't lean into the base to energize them and increase turnout because turnout is and has been the biggest factor in winning vs losing for the Dems. It is why the Republican party brazenly fights to suppress voters. I mean they don't care who sees them trying to make voting harder for the sake of making it harder.
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I keep seeing these vague phrases like lean into the base. Energize the voters. I want some specifics of what exactly that looks like.

Bernie would have energized the base, and scared everyone else due to all his extreme ideas and anti american changes. (people are generally scared of change. Its why our healthcare has sucked forever and will continue to suck.)
And lost accordingly.
 
fishonjazz said:
I keep seeing these vague phrases like lean into the base. Energize the voters. I want some specifics of what exactly that looks like.

Bernie would have energized the base, and scared everyone else due to all his extreme ideas and anti american changes. And lost accordingly.
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You might be right.

But by leaning into the base I mean to advocate for and deliver realistic plans to achieve progressive objectives. Climate change, gender and race equality, narrowing the wealth gap, providing universal health care... and legalizing pot nationally, improved education, support for low income parents, etc..

None of that is extreme in my humble opinion. It can be presented, and carried out, in ways that have high support amongst voters.
 
Douchebag K said:
Ok. Good chat
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Well, it's true. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-polls-were-mostly-wrong/

In the weeks leading up to the November 2016 election, polls across the country predicted an easy sweep for Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton.


President Trump's victory in 2016 came as a shock to many Americans. National polls showed his opponent, Hillary Clinton, leading the race up until the election. Even the Clinton campaign was confident she would win. All data they were looking at seemed to predict her victory.

Nationwide opinion polling for the 2016 United States presidential election - Wikipedia

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Most polls correctly predicted a popular vote victory for Hillary Clinton, but overestimated the size of her lead

I could provide dozens of links for this.


Ya Bernie was a male so he night have polled better than Clinton against trump. But once trump started calling Bernie names and giving him nicknames and Insulting his wife and calling him unAmerican and extreme leftist and saying Bernie would take our guns etc etc etc his polling numbers might have dropped down to where Hilary was.

No way to know. I would love to find out though.

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