The Chapel of Black Jesus Burke

[fishonjazz]

Burke is playing so obviously different than in years past tho.


This isn't fluky jump shooting. He looks stronger. He's playing with purpose-- every move seems so much more calculated.

He's exploiting mismatches, and bad defenses. He's killing PGs off the dribble with no screen-- he rarely even did that back in college.


It's just really, really nuts to see. Throw in a renewed focus on defensive effort? Man. What a preseason by Burke. He's worked so hard, and it's showed. Both Quin and Gordon have showered him with praise.

He looked great really

 

[zman1527]

Playing with both Burks and Hayward should generate some more wide open shots for Burke. I think his efficiency goes up for that reason, if nothing else.

Is that what you want out of your starting PG? A spot up shooter? Don't think so. TB STILL taking too many shots, too few assists. Nice that he is making a better percentage no doubt.

 

[Stoked]

If Burke turns it on and shows up I will gladly eat my crow as someone who thought he wasn't going to make it.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

So, does he start vs. Detroit or does Quin stay with the line-up from Denver?

 

[da ThRONe]

Is that what you want out of your starting PG? A spot up shooter? Don't think so. TB STILL taking too many shots, too few assists. Nice that he is making a better percentage no doubt.

This is basketball ignorance. No offense to you personally. Saying Trey is taking too many shots or is lacking in assist is just simple minded prejudice against Burke. What matters in hoops is taking smart shots and moving the ball. Sometimes that means you take a lot of shots and moving the ball doesn't always result in an assist.

Saying Trey has to fit into your meaningless "statical box" or he isn't a good player is just wrong.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z304EKr8Gk

I remember Burke doing this to Jackson early last year.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Is that what you want out of your starting PG? A spot up shooter? Don't think so. TB STILL taking too many shots, too few assists. Nice that he is making a better percentage no doubt.

Burke shot 50/40/90 in that preseason stretch

If anything you want the team to find him for more spot up shots. I don't care how many shots Burke takes if they are open and in the flow of the offense.


If Burke hits a few shots in a row, do you want him to have a shot limit in his head and just pass up open looks?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Rudy said in post-game that he thought it was a good idea to start Neto and bring Trey off the bench.

 

[NAOS]

This is basketball ignorance. No offense to you personally. Saying Trey is taking too many shots or is lacking in assist is just simple minded prejudice against Burke. What matters in hoops is taking smart shots and moving the ball. Sometimes that means you take a lot of shots and moving the ball doesn't always result in an assist.

Saying Trey has to fit into your meaningless "statical box" or he isn't a good player is just wrong.

it is fair to say he is taking too many shots. It might be wrong to say that of a particular game, but when you can comb over as many games as we can, and point out his tendencies like we can, we must either allege that Q's system isn't working or Trey is taking too many shots. Both are legitimate allegations. You can look at Trey's percentages yourself... you don't want him leading the team in shots. Q knows it, I'm sure.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

it is fair to say he is taking too many shots. It might be wrong to say that of a particular game, but when you can comb over as many games as we can, and point out his tendencies like we can, we must either allege that Q's system isn't working or Trey is taking too many shots. Both are legitimate allegations. You can look at Trey's percentages yourself... you don't want him leading the team in shots. Q knows it, I'm sure.

Yeah, but I'm sure Quin also knows we can't have players not being aggressive and passing up open looks.

The only shot Burke really has to, IMO, crack down is the quick midrange jumper off the PNR. Not that it's a terrible shot, but last year he had a tendency to go to it too early in the shot clock. That is the shot modern defenses almost always give anyone, and it tricks shot happy players into thinking they are taking a good shot. I don't mind him taking those if he is really rolling, but not all the time like he had a tendency to do last year.

 

[NAOS]

Yeah, but I'm sure Quin also knows we can't have players not being aggressive and passing up open looks.

The only shot Burke really has to, IMO, crack down is the quick midrange jumper off the PNR. Not that it's a terrible shot, but last year he had a tendency to go to it too early in the shot clock. That is the shot modern defenses almost always give anyone, and it tricks shot happy players into thinking they are taking a good shot. I don't mind him taking those if he is really rolling, but not all the time like he had a tendency to do last year.

whitewashing^

Burke's career demonstrates what I'm talking about pretty clearly.

I like him off the bench a lot more, since his tendencies don't come at the expense of our best players. It seems Rudy, our most Spartan of warriors, agrees. I'll take that side.

 

[zman1527]

This is basketball ignorance. No offense to you personally. Saying Trey is taking too many shots or is lacking in assist is just simple minded prejudice against Burke. What matters in hoops is taking smart shots and moving the ball. Sometimes that means you take a lot of shots and moving the ball doesn't always result in an assist.

Saying Trey has to fit into your meaningless "statical box" or he isn't a good player is just wrong.

But I don't think that is what you want out of that position, that type of player. PG's are generally the shortest, quickest, fastest guys on the team. You want them pushing the pace and you also want them to be the floor leader, the general getting them into their offense, getting the other guys good looks at spots that they like them. Sorry, but I think that TB does not fit that bill, does not fit well as a PG. How many 6'0" spot up shooters do you know of in the league? What value does he really bring? Too slow, too poor a passer to be a good PG, too short and lacking in hops to be a combo guard.

PS: he has a chance to be an acceptable player IF he shoots really well. Otherwise he has too many deficiencies.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

whitewashing^

Burke's career demonstrates what I'm talking about pretty clearly.

I like him off the bench a lot more, since his tendencies don't come at the expense of our best players. It seems Rudy, our most Spartan of warriors, agrees. I'll take that side.

Can you define a career through the first 2 seasons? Also I never advocated for Burke starting. I really don't think the starting PG matters as much as having Hood start over Burks.

 

[NAOS]

Can you define a career through the first 2 seasons? Also I never advocated for Burke starting. I really don't think the starting PG matters as much as having Hood start over Burks.

Burke's career is as long as it is. His career thus far is defined by 2 seasons. What angle are you looking for?

I'm not saying he can't improve. I will say his best shot at improvement is settling into a bench role.

I've also advocated for Hood starting. I think that's a no-brainer.

 

[zman1527]

Can you define a career through the first 2 seasons? Also I never advocated for Burke starting. I really don't think the starting PG matters as much as having Hood start over Burks.

You cannot define a career, but you can get a damn good idea about a guy's potential, strengths and weaknesses. TB is short, relatively slow, relatively lacking in quickness and athleticism, not any more than average at passing, a liability on defense. Maybe I am wrong, but that is what I see. I also suspect other teams are going to be plenty happy if he takes the most shots on our team. It will be up to him to prove that is a bad proposition. Looking much better this preseason, lets see the regular season.

 

[da ThRONe]

Burke shot 50/40/90 in that preseason stretch

If anything you want the team to find him for more spot up shots. I don't care how many shots Burke takes if they are open and in the flow of the offense.


If Burke hits a few shots in a row, do you want him to have a shot limit in his head and just pass up open looks?

This is what I don't understand! When he is brinking much like last year fine you're shooting too much. However if you're putting up the gold standard for efficiency and the opposing teams are giving you shots you keep shooting.

Can we expect Trey to put up that gold standard all season during the regular season that's debatable.
However to complain while he is putting up those numbers just shows a personally prejudice against a player.

 

[♪alt13]

Can you define a career through the first 2 seasons? Also I never advocated for Burke starting. I really don't think the starting PG matters as much as having Hood start over Burks.

I care less about who starts and more about making sure our best players are on the floor. We need more mins for our wings than there are available(96). Our pg rotation sucks and Hayward is a pretty good distributor so I think we can steal some of those mins and re-purpose them. We need between 10-20 more mins for our wings. So start and end with your best 5 players. Burks, Hood, Hayward, Favors, Gobert. Do that and you have enough minutes for Hayward/Hood/Burks to play at least 30 and still be able to play Jingles.

 

[fishonjazz]

I care less about who starts and more about making sure our best players are on the floor. We need more mins for our wings than there are available(96). Our pg rotation sucks and Hayward is a pretty good distributor so I think we can steal some of those mins and re-purpose them. We need between 10-20 more mins for our wings. So start and end with your best 5 players. Burks, Hood, Hayward, Favors, Gobert. Do that and you have enough minutes for Hayward/Hood/Burks to play at least 30 and still be able to play Jingles.

I like this

 

[franklin]

These threads were mildly entertaining the first 98 times. MILDLY. At this point I'd rather read carolinajazzer.

 

[Deleted member 848]

Burke's career is as long as it is. His career thus far is defined by 2 seasons. What angle are you looking for?

I'm not saying he can't improve. I will say his best shot at improvement is settling into a bench role.

I've also advocated for Hood starting. I think that's a no-brainer.

Burke played equally well in both roles. The difference tonight was that our bigs (Rudy, Fav) actually came out tonight.

Look back at the OKC boxscore. Our PG play wasn't the reason we lost.