The Conley Conundrum

[Engorged On Unborn Gore]

So you are afraid to put your money where your mouth is?

Not at all. But you tying a bet to this argument is the actual shitshaft side hustle. It’s not like you’re asking me to bet on the over. So don’t pretend that you and I can actually gamble fairly on the likelihood of Conley getting traded.

The rationale is that it isn't zanik's decision by himself

So what? Explain to me why this is simply business as usual, when it has been anything but since Zanik became GM.

and we already have plenty of precedent of the organization being averse

...BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, explain the offseason that we just had, and then explain the mid season Exum trade. And include some DL-as-GM examples so I can erase this notion in my head that you’re in love with grandstanding.

And why did your thoughts immediately go to money and dicks? That you side-hustle?

Trust me, I don’t need anything extra to be able to catch the softballs you’re throwing.

 

[mellow]

So brings us back to the part of saying "what the hell was DL thinking" bringing in Conley, knowing DM and Ingles would be handling the ball equally as much.

I have been firmly in the camp of "What was he thinking". The only rational explanation I can talk myself into is this: Last year the Jazz trade talk got leaked in-season causing Jae and Ricky's feelers to get hurt. By season end the Jazz knew there was no coming back from the hurts, so they made new plans. Sadly, all their big FA plans of Russel, Tobias, etc dried up so they had to act another way. Dennis O'Lindsey and Justin O'Zanic saw a chance to trade a collection of small salaries for one big salary and they took it, with a hope of a chance to move it later for one big salary piece that fit better.

Its a rough narrative I know. It has several holes, and couldn't withstand much criticism, but it makes me feel better so I choose to believe it.

 

[LogGrad98]

Not at all. But you tying a bet to this argument is the actual shitshaft side hustle. It’s not like you’re asking me to bet on the over. So don’t pretend that you and I can actually gamble fairly on the likelihood of Conley getting traded.



So what? Explain to me why this is simply business as usual, when it has been anything but since Zanik became GM.



...BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, explain the offseason that we just had, and then explain the mid season Exum trade. And include some DL-as-GM examples so I can erase this notion in my head that you’re in love with grandstanding.



Trust me, I don’t need anything extra to be able to catch the softballs you’re throwing.

So you are saying you believe they will move Conley for another asset right? Or is this just a weak troll attempt. Because frankly it's hilarious how invested you are in this conversation. You that bored?

 

[Engorged On Unborn Gore]

frankly it's hilarious

It certainly is.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I have been firmly in the camp of "What was he thinking". The only rational explanation I can talk myself into is this: Last year the Jazz trade talk got leaked in-season causing Jae and Ricky's feelers to get hurt. By season end the Jazz knew there was no coming back from the hurts, so they made new plans. Sadly, all their big FA plans of Russel, Tobias, etc dried up so they had to act another way. Dennis O'Lindsey and Justin O'Zanic saw a chance to trade a collection of small salaries for one big salary and they took it, with a hope of a chance to move it later for one big salary piece that fit better.

Its a rough narrative I know. It has several holes, and couldn't withstand much criticism, but it makes me feel better so I choose to believe it.

The order of operations is inaccurate here... we traded before going to FA so never made a run at those guys. Conley was really good last year and should play better... it made sense, but then the two LA teams got kinda big (Clips on the wing, Lakers overall just big)… so the Conley DM backcourt pairing may not be ideal when bumping up against them.

 

[fishonjazz]

The order of operations is inaccurate here... we traded before going to FA so never made a run at those guys. Conley was really good last year and should play better... it made sense, but then the two LA teams got kinda big (Clips on the wing, Lakers overall just big)… so the Conley DM backcourt pairing may not be ideal when bumping up against them.

I think he is insinuating that the feeling was that the big free agents weren't attainable for the jazz. Not that the jazz went after them and struck out and then decided to trade for conley but rather the jazz heard through the grapevine that the big fish they wanted weren't interested so they went with the bird in the hand (Conley)

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[Shad]

Conley for Love

Donovan/Mudiay
Ingles/Clarkson
Bogey/Royce
Love/Niang
Gobert/Bradley

Looks pretty damn good to me

 

[jom2003]

So you are afraid to put your money where your mouth is? The rationale is that it isn't zanik's decision by himself and we already have plenty of precedent of the organization being averse to moving an investment, as in exum. And of course no one knows their thoughts entirely so I could be wrong, but I'm willing to bet that I'm not wrong.

And why did your thoughts immediately go to money and dicks? That you side-hustle?

all i know is DL was all over Conley as early as 2018, way before Zanik came into the picture.

 

[latin jazz]

I think he is insinuating that the feeling was that the big free agents weren't attainable for the jazz. Not that the jazz went after them and struck out and then decided to trade for conley but rather the jazz heard through the grapevine that the big fish they wanted weren't interested so they went with the bird in the hand (Conley)

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It's also likely they knew this months before FA and therefore decided to pursue Conley at the trade deadline last year. Perhaps they also expected some veterans to come over with Conley onboard. I guess we will never know.

 

[latin jazz]

all i know is DL was all over Conley as early as 2018, way before Zanik came into the picture.

It was reported that he has wanted Conley for almost 5 years. Also, I think not much has changed in the DL-JZ hierarchy for the past few years (at least that's what they say)

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

So here is my worry... The current starting lineup is a whopping +20 over 100 possessions... replace Mike for Ingles and they were +16...

The projected starting lineup once Conley comes back is -2 (Ingles/DM/Conley/Bojan/Rudy)…. now this is likely before Joe found his groove, they were all adjusting, and the schedule was tougher... but I think it does hint at the balance that having Royce in with the starters provides.

You can't really bring Conley off the bench right? Good guy, but not sure he's that altruistic.

I'm curious to see what happens, but hopefully it doesn't disrupt our current rhythm too much. I think I'd try and talk him into coming off the bench as a rehab method to limit his minutes... if it was successful maybe then you can talk about bringing him off the bench... Manu was an effing hall of famer and did it much of his career.

If dude struggles when he comes back it could really create some issues.

 

[Mongoose]

It really is discouraging the at the return of Mike Conley feels more like a looming dark cloud than anything positive. I hope he figures it out.

 

[DasJazz]

It really is discouraging the at the return of Mike Conley feels more like a looming dark cloud than anything positive. I hope he figures it out.

He had a stretch of 10 games averaging 17 points and 7 assists prior to his hamstring injury. He will adjust fine after a handful of games.

 

[Shad]

It's really unfortunate timing tbh. We need him back now when we're playing these weaker teams to adjust. Not at the end of January/early February when we're playing the top teams in a 10 game stretch. It's going to look really ugly for him if he comes back during that time and we drop a lot of games

 

[Just Ted]

so still no reports on a potential return?

 

[LifeOnaPlate]

so still no reports on a potential return?

I said All Star break was my guess.

 

[NUMBERICA]

If Conley tries to return when we’re in the thick of a tough schedule he needs to come off the bench for at least that portion. In order for him to be in the main lineup he needs to work out a lot of ****, quite frankly, and I don’t want the growing pains throwing games.

The difference in outlook between being the second seed and the sixth seed is vast. If you’re a top-2 seed, you’re playing against a team that doesn’t belong in the conversation with the other six. If you’re a top-2 seed, you likely avoid the Lakers in the first two rounds and they are the only team that I have little hope against. If you’re a top-2 seed, the chances that the Lakers get bounced before you meet them (by, say, the Clippers who I think have their number) goes up immensely. The 2-seed is the path to not only the Western Conference Finals, but THE NBA Finals. Lastly, the difference between the 2-seed and 6-seed is probably going to be ~two games.

We can’t lose games shoe-horning anything or anyone.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I said All Star break was my guess.

I think that is too long unless he has more damage than they thought... My guess is after next week's road trip. That'd be 4 weeks... last time I think he missed 2.

If its after the AS break that'd be like 10-11 weeks in total... unless he tore something that seems a bit excessive.

 

[Eminence]

If he's not on track to return until the AS break they should absolutely trade him if they have a decent chance.

 

[infection]

I would bring Conley off the bench for 2-3 games, let him get loose, let people get used to playing with him, then bring him into the starting lineup with an early sub for Royce.