The Core Four

[Darkwing Duck]

We're talking about team payroll, not team salary.

Signing bonuses count equally over each year of the contract for cap purposes (team salary).

But isn't the minimum based on team salary anyway?

 

[Bawse Dawg]

What FA is out there this summer that KOC is holding out for? Who is worth 10 million that the Jazz can sign?

Please, enlighten me.

Extension for Favors?

 

[Justys]

I think the jazz will come into next year well below payroll minimums. They have until next year's deadline to meet those minimums, so they'll just take picks and players in February. They could have has many as 8 players on their rookie deals + Evans + Carroll. Tons of space and ability to bail out teams about to get hammered by the new tax. We could nab some good players + picks for the loaded 2014 class.

I'm still waiting for confirmation about whether a Millsap signing bonus would count toward those minimum numbers. If so, a lot of that space can be invested with a big splash for Paul with maximum declines in pay going forward.

In other words, I don't think we are gearing up for a spending bonanza. We're playing for space through next year's deadline.

Well Put! I wish that they could turn Millsap into Ryan Anderson though.

 

[Justys]

Extension for Favors?

I really agree with this. Extension for Favors and Hayword. 4 year 7-10 million a year. Probably something close to what MIllsap might be getting.

 

[Bawse Dawg]

I really agree with this. Extension for Favors and Hayword. 4 year 7-10 million a year. Probably something close to what MIllsap might be getting.

Favors will be a max, or close to max player soon. Locking him up for cheaper now is smart. And of course keeping him on the team is nice.

 

[GVC]

But isn't the minimum based on team salary anyway?

Nope. Payroll.

 

[Stifle Tower]

I think the jazz will come into next year well below payroll minimums. They have until next year's deadline to meet those minimums, so they'll just take picks and players in February. They could have has many as 8 players on their rookie deals + Evans + Carroll. Tons of space and ability to bail out teams about to get hammered by the new tax. We could nab some good players + picks for the loaded 2014 class.

I'm still waiting for confirmation about whether a Millsap signing bonus would count toward those minimum numbers. If so, a lot of that space can be invested with a big splash for Paul with maximum declines in pay going forward.

In other words, I don't think we are gearing up for a spending bonanza. We're playing for space through next year's deadline.

You are 100% correct. KOC has talked about how valuable cap space will be. The Jazz will have even more $ to spend after Marvin's contract comes off the books...right in time to pay Favors and Hayward. Jazz are in great shape financially; let's just hope the Armageddon that everyone is predicting for several teams comes to fruition. Jazz will never pick up a superstar, but perhaps some all-star or near all-star talent will be available for teams that can absorb the salary.

 

[colton]

And I'm pretty sure signing bonuses count toward the minimum payroll, which makes signing bonuses valuable for teams that won't reach the minimum. Teams have to pay the minimum regardless, and the salary savings relative to cap hit probably makes players with signing bonuses more valuable for trade purposes.

I just read through the relevant sections of Coon's FAQ, which I'm sure you've also done. And I conclude the same thing--that it's very likely (but not explicitly stated) that signing bonuses count towards the "payroll".

 

[colton]

But isn't the minimum based on team salary anyway?

No, it's based on team payroll.

 

[colton]

You are 100% correct. KOC has talked about how valuable cap space will be. The Jazz will have even more $ to spend after Marvin's contract comes off the books...right in time to pay Favors and Hayward. Jazz are in great shape financially; let's just hope the Armageddon that everyone is predicting for several teams comes to fruition. Jazz will never pick up a superstar, but perhaps some all-star or near all-star talent will be available for teams that can absorb the salary.

That's exactly what Lindsey said a week or two ago... that they are planning on teams coming to the Jazz and basically paying the Jazz to take a good player (but overpriced) off their hands, with draft picks or the like. He said that's a large reason why they didn't make any moves at the trade deadline, because they were confident in being able to pick up some good players this other way. Or at least he implied as much.

 

[larryselbows]

something.

 

[green]

If all you want is a long SF to shoot 3s you could pick up Dorrell Wright cheap. Something tells me we want a bit more than that though.

More shooters---Mike Dunleavy, Anthony Morrow, ...

Ha. Dorrell Wright could come play for the Jazz while his little brother plays for the Utes. They could live together. How cute.