It also has to do with the large military presence there.
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It also has to do with the large military presence there.
No, she said that $5 trillion is the cost of the cuts. The claim is one side of the ledger, not the net number. I'm not certain why we're giving Mitt a pass on that he will actually find $5 trillion in cuts to call the claim incorrect, especially given that we know he's claiming he's increasing defense spending and eliminating cost savings in the Medicare program. This just boggles my mind. This is so, so obviously not possible.
Do you believe Mitt Romney will succeed in cutting $5 trillion in spending? Can you name any president in the last 150 years that's managed to cut spending to that degree (either by 10 year dollar figure, or percentage of GDP) while also lowering taxes?
Mitt Romney is a lizard, he can do it.
PearlWatson
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lolz
That's on the top of my favorite ridiculous liberal excuses.
The others:
-Altitude (<---Algore gave that one)
-Obama was on medication
-Romney cheated with notes
-Obama was distracted by some bad news about foreign affairs
-Obama was confused by all the lies Romney told and didn't know which to address first (<---ed schultz)
You are stuck on that 20% number as being final when Romney is saying it is not.
The Gipper cut taxes while closing loopholes and shifted the income tax burden onto the rich. The ******* also raised ss taxes six times and strapped the middle & poor with a highly regressive system in the earning years. Now Romney is asking part one while reversing the social security burden on the working poor by taking the subsidy away from the rich. How is this not an excellent start considering our gridlocked congress can't do anything? It's no stretch to say Romney will bend further considering his many nods to raising taxes on the rich. He also has the ability to sway the balance-at-all-costs Tea Party into raising revenue to balance the sacred cow.
Romney thinks like an investor & has asked himself what it will really take. It's time for the nation to catch up to him.
*edit* Reagan had the ability to spend like a mad man. Romney does not have that luxury & knows finding revenue without hurting growth is imperative.
I'll be honest franklin, I have no idea when you're being serious about being pro-Romney and when you're not so I find it difficult to respond to you.
If we're saying that the numbers he's campaigning on aren't the real numbers and he has a secret plan to solve the debt then I guess I have to throw up my hands. It's Richard Nixon's secret plan to end the Vietnam War all over again. It is obviously an enviable position to be able to deny any attacks on the basis of vagaries because you can slide out of any criticisms.
If we're saying that the numbers he's campaigning on aren't the real numbers and he has a secret plan to solve the debt then I guess I have to throw up my hands. It's Richard Nixon's secret plan to end the Vietnam War all over again. It is obviously an enviable position to be able to deny any attacks on the basis of vagaries because you can slide out of any criticisms.
The Thriller
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I thought closing loopholes was considered a tax increase by many who made a pledge to never increase taxes? I don't think Romney can do the same... While I understand that the temptation to go along with a repub President would be high, I don't think many tea baggers are going to turn their backs to that pledge they have made.
And how has he shown the ability to sway the tea party when the exact opposite has occurred? If the last 4 years have proven anything, the tea party has shown the ability to sway Romney.
Indeed. Colorado is a mix of some lefty hippies, rich elitist Veil liberals, military, wyoming good ol boy republicans, strong mexican population, and john denver(RIP).
"It's certainly true that Reagan entered office as a full-throated conservative vowing to cut both spending and taxes. And he quickly followed through on part of that promise, passing a major reduction in marginal tax rates. (According to author Lou Cannon, the top marginal rate fell from 70 percent when he came into office to 28 percent when he left.)
But following his party's losses in the 1982 election, Reagan largely backed off his efforts at spending cuts even as he continued to offer the small-government rhetoric that helped get him elected. In fact, he went in the opposite direction: His creation of the department of veterans affairs contributed to an increase in the federal workforce of more than 60,000 people during his presidency.
And while Reagan somewhat slowed the marginal rate of growth in the budget, it continued to increase during his time in office. So did the debt, skyrocketing from $700 billion to $3 trillion. Then there's the fact that after first pushing to cut Social Security benefits - and being stymied by Congress - Reagan in 1983 agreed to a $165 billion bailout of the program. He also massively expanded the Pentagon budget."
- the ronald reagan myth
https://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20030729-503544.html
I get this a lot on here for being the only true swing voter around. I guess not pushing either one of the parties or neither is confusing to everyone. Yes, I am pro-Romney and 100% serious about it. Just don't rub it in my face too much when he loses.
There is nothing secret about it. Target a 25% top rate and adjust that downward if reality is that it won't balance the budget. It's an excellent way for Romney to raise taxes on the rich while looking like he's cutting them, but also selling the growth model to offset any potential increases in real rates. The exact itemized deduction cap is the beauty of Romney's humility--he doesn't claim to know the exact figure and is willing to let congress wrangle out a number. So what if it's $17,000 or $25,000? The left is making a mountain out of a mole hill there.
You seem to be plopping in this cut and paste as a counterargument but it actually runs right in line with my narative.
TheSilencer1313
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Then this may be the perfect song for you.
[video=youtube_share;wbnYyMrmizU]https://youtu.be/wbnYyMrmizU
While you say there's nothing secret about it, that's not what he's actually campaigning on. While you're likely presenting the best possible version of his arguments, IMO Mitt has continually demonstrated that he will listen to whomever is yelling at him the loudest. In the primaries that was the Tea Party and he said some really crazy things. Here, those votes are in the bag and he's going off the other direction saying he's not actually supporting a massive tax revenue cut and that he plans on forcing insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions. I also know that he signed the Grover Norquist pledge so he's, right off the top, totally not committed to the bipartisan solutions he keeps claiming he'd achieve.
I honestly have no idea what he would actually do, but I do know there's a reason he didn't even bother running for a second term in Massachussetts.
We have to vote for the guy to see what's in it.
There's a difference between "listening to" and pretending to humor the Tea Party. Not only do I not care that he pandered to the right in the primary, I want a strong candidate to do as much.
Above all, I'm more interested in Romney's strong character, personal achievements, & go he's handled life experiences. He's a standup guy who I could forgive for making perceived policy mistakes. Honest mistakes can be overcome--it's the agenda driven polices that cause real harm.
There's a difference between "listening to" and pretending to humor the Tea Party. Not only do I not care that he pandered to the right in the primary, I want a strong candidate to do as much.
Above all, I'm more interested in Romney's strong character, personal achievements, & go he's handled life experiences. He's a standup guy who I could forgive for making perceived policy mistakes. Honest mistakes can be overcome--it's the agenda driven polices that cause real harm.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/09/ap-publishes-unflattering-pic-romney-bending-over/
The photo made me laugh. I wont lie.
The photo made me laugh. I wont lie.
shoulda lied.
