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Stoked said:
See that is the thing right there. If Biden had stopped distracting from everything, even his own message, with his drama queen act then he would have been seen as clear winner. No landlside or *** kicking like the last debate but a clear winner. Biden was his own worst enemy.

I just do not see Ryan as ever being great on a debate stage. eh is smart and can hold his own but he lacks the charisma that you need to be great at debating. Biden has that but messed it up.
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Ryan needs to tone down the facial expressions, and over-acting for the camera with dramatic pauses and such, imo.
 
Recent polls have ROmney up in VA, FL and N.H.

Obama was up by as many as 15 in N.H. A 19 point swing seems awefully steep for a week. That is the end of campiagns type stuff. I don't really believe that Romney has had that big of a swing in N.H. Seems off...
 
Marty McFly said:
It doesn't matter, the poll shows a very clear winner today.
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You asked and I gave you the answer. So the initial reaction is that Ryan won according to CNN. So it does matter.

It appears that the more people think about it, the more they think Biden won.
 
PearlWatson said:
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A picture says 28 words.
 
The Thriller said:
I know dog, telling us, "you're either with us or against us" was pretty polarizing. Along with passing NCLB, the Pat Act, and sending us to 2 wars. So polarizing.
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I realize you were born after this was being debated--the entire country was for the Iraq war before the left was against it. Tell us how again that war was polarizing? A war Bill Clinton promoted at every turn and threatened to invade if sanctions weren't met? A war that John Kerry campaigned on? How exactly was that polarizing?
 
The Thriller said:
https://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_16...mitted-voters-say/?tag=MidDeep;MidDeepRelated

I don't think so Tim.

The majority of 431 undecided voters would disagree with you.
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I said independents and women didn't like how Biden acted. I could also add that younger voters didn't like how Biden treated Ryan. They saw Biden as an overbearing father.

107 of your "undecided voters" are Democrats voting for Obama but assured the pollster they could change their mind.

The "uncommitted voters" who participated in this poll are either undecided or have chosen a candidate but say they could still change their minds. They are less likely than voters overall to identify with either of the two major political parties: 58 percent call themselves independents, 17 percent identify as Republicans, and 25 percent say they are Democrats.
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spycam1 said:
I'm not sure I agree. MSNBC had a group of eight undecided voters (good balance of age, race, and gender) brought in before the debate and asked them afterwords if the debate caused them to lean one way or the other. Four of the eight said they'll now be voting for Obama, one said for Romney, three remained undecided. This is obviously a very small sample, but more of them made a decision tonight than I would have expected. I'm just not sure we should jump to conclusions about the affect the VP debate had on undecided voters. Things are close enough at this point that I think every little thing counts.
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And Frank Luntz had about 30 people who were supposedly undecided who said this debate didn't make up their mind. Again, the VP debate while interesting to watch is not going to decide this election. It won't have a big impact. Now if this was a Presidential debate then I wouldn't dismiss it so quickly.
 
SaltyDawg said:
He was smiling and laughing because Ryan was lying. It was the "malarkey" signal.
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If you think Ryan was the only one stretching the truth then you need your head checked. Biden's response on Libya was a flat out lie. Biden was smiling and laughing because he couldn't control himself. In the end it made him look arrogant and disrespectful.
 
SaltyDawg said:
It says this was a sampling of 381 people who were more republican than the rest of the country.

I think that was just for interesting tv and not intended to be taken too seriously. The real polls (including CNN 's) are starting to come out and they all show Biden won handily.
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CNN Sample:

33% were Republican
31% were Democrat
34% were independents

Rasmussen Reports: During August, 37.6% of Americans considered themselves Republicans. That’s up from 34.9% in July and 35.4% in June.

So they were not more Republican than the rest of the Country...they were less.

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The CBS sample:

58% Independents
25% Democrats
17% Republicans

A lot less Republican than the rest of the country.
 
Originally Posted by SaltyDawg
It says this was a sampling of 381 people who were more republican than the rest of the country.

I think that was just for interesting tv and not intended to be taken too seriously. The real polls (including CNN 's) are starting to come out and they all show Biden won handily.
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CNN Sample:

33% were Republican
31% were Democrat
34% were independents

Rasmussen Reports[/URL]: During August, 37.6% of Americans considered themselves Republicans. That’s up from 34.9% in July and 35.4% in June.

So they were not more Republican than the rest of the Country...they were less.

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The CBS sample:

58% Independents
25% Democrats
17% Republicans

A lot less Republican than the rest of the country.
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From the very poll you keep referencing:

" This poll does not and cannot reflect the views of all Americans. It only represents the views of people who watched the debate and by definition cannot be an indication of how the entire American public will react to Wednesday’s debate in the coming days,” cautions CNN Polling Director Keating Holland.

One-third of the respondents who participated in tonight’s survey identified themselves as Republicans, with 31% identifying themselves as Democrats, and 34% identifying themselves as independents.

That indicates that the sample of debate watchers is more Republican than an average of recent CNN polls of all Americans,” adds Holland.

The CNN poll was conducted by ORC International, with 381 registered voters nationwide who watched the debate questioned by telephone. All interviews were conducted after the end of the debate. The survey’s sampling error is plus or minus five percentage points.

A CBS News poll of uncommitted voters who watched the debate gave Biden the edge over Ryan by a 50%-31% margin. Uncommitted voters made up roughly ten percent or less of the debate audience."

Not sure why you guys keep mentioning it when A: the people posting it said at the time that it wasn't meant to be taken seriously, and B: the people who posted it have since posted an updated poll (which is similar to all the other polls or there).
 
SaltyDawg said:
From the very poll you keep referencing:

"That indicates that the sample of debate watchers is more Republican than an average of recent CNN polls of all Americans,” adds Holland.

The CNN poll was conducted by ORC International, with 381 registered voters nationwide who watched the debate questioned by telephone. All interviews were conducted after the end of the debate. The survey’s sampling error is plus or minus five percentage points.

A CBS News poll of uncommitted voters who watched the debate gave Biden the edge over Ryan by a 50%-31% margin. Uncommitted voters made up roughly ten percent or less of the debate audience."

Not sure why you guys keep mentioning it when A: the people posting it said at the time that it wasn't meant to be taken seriously, and B: the people who posted it have since posted an updated poll (which is similar to all the other polls or there).
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Your credibility flies right out the window when you characterize MSNBC as being "fair." Fox isn't fair, MSNBC is not fair. None of them are really fair any longer.
 
trigg3r said:
Your credibility flies right out the window when you characterize MSNBC as being "fair." Fox isn't fair, MSNBC is not fair. None of them are really fair any longer.
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Show me where MSNBC has ever done this (watch the videos in the link):
https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php?p=387820

I keep seeing you guys say MSNBC is like Fox, but I disagree. Until someone proves it to me, I will continue to think MSNBC leans left, but doesn't lie and make **** up like Fox.
 
SaltyDawg said:
Show me where MSNBC has ever done this (watch the videos in the link):
https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php?p=387820

I keep seeing you guys say MSNBC is like Fox, but I disagree. Until someone proves it to me, I will continue to think MSNBC leans left, but doesn't lie and make **** up like Fox.
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Why should anyone take the time to try to prove it to you when you are obviously not willing to see the truth? Have you seriously ever watched Ed Schultz, Lawrence O'Donnell, Rachel Maddow, Keith Olbermann(when he was there), Chris Matthews, and Al Sharpton? Seriously..... You have to be either really naive or have the blinders on. Chris Matthews after the first Presidential debate said that Obama should watch MSNBC's nightly programs in order to gear up to beat Romney the second time around. Please step back and be objective on the matter for once. Fox is the same way with the Conservative viewpoints.
 
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