The Denver Nuggets Have Inspired Me

[7StraightIsGreat]

I really have to admit, the way Denver made out in the Melo deal is starting to change my doom and gloom perception for what is on the horizon for D-Will and the Jazz. Instead of looking at it like our 1 legit superstar is most likely going to bolt Utah and leave us broken hearted, I'm starting to see D-Will as a huge bargaining chip that if used correctly, can lead a true rebuilding of the Utah Jazz. The key for Utah will be having more than 1 big time team seriously interested in D-Will. I have no doubt that New Jersey's lust for Melo really forced NY's hand in paying a decent value for Melo. If Utah's put in a similar situation, they really could turn what is thought to be a huge negative, into a very big positve.

I think it will play out well for Utah. Around the time Utah is going to have to face the reality of trading D-Will or losing him for nothing, a few teams might be in a good position to make a strong push.

-The Lakers would almost certainly be interested and with Kobe's career winding down they may be able to commit some serious long-term cash towards D-Will and a few more young superstars.

-The hometown Mav's have a big spending owner and J-Kidd's salary coming off the books around that time.

-New Jersey and their billionaire Russian owner have proven that they are going to keep playing the market until big splashes are made.

Just like Minnesota was needed for NY and Denver to make a deal, you'd have to assume Utah would need a 3rd team to step in in order for the Jazz to maximize their return for trading D-Will but I think it can be done.

When it's all said and done, D-Will may have a huge hand in assuring the Utah Jazz are successful in the future. He may just do it while wearing a different uniform.

 

[UB]

I enjoyed reading your analysis. Thanks in advance,

UB

 

[Sneakers]

The trick is being able to read Deron's hand and not let him Lebron us. Because he's said he won't tell anyone anything until he's made a decision. We won't get the luxury of him demanding a trade, in all likelyhood.

 

[Fakers Luck]

Denver made out like bandits considering they would have lost melo to free agency this summer anyway. I wish the Jazz would have done the same with CBooze or Wes Matthews. At least they did do something with Ronnie Brewer when they realized he wasn’t in their plans for the future.

Perhaps the Jazz need to shift their way of thinking. If the Jazz are the ones who "love 'em and leave 'em" first, they won't keep getting burned when other teams offer crazy money at their free agents.

Just trade expiring deals for whatever assets you can get, before you loose your guys for nothing. In this small market, that might be the only way to acquire talent, unless the new CBA makes it more difficult for players to leave.

 

[vegas]

The other key ingredients here were three cba and no cap space. Different scenario than last year when everybody cleared cap space.

 

[Mr. McGibblets]

Denver made out like bandits considering they would have lost melo to free agency this summer anyway. I wish the Jazz would have done the same with CBooze or Wes Matthews.

I stopped reading after this. You really think Matthews was worth a lot at the trade deadline last year? Plus, he was in their long term plans. I don't think anyone thought in February of last year that he was going to get the mid-level front loaded.

 

[franklin]

I really have to admit, the way Denver made out in the Melo deal is starting to change my doom and gloom perception for what is on the horizon for D-Will and the Jazz. Instead of looking at it like our 1 legit superstar is most likely going to bolt Utah and leave us broken hearted, I'm starting to see D-Will as a huge bargaining chip that if used correctly, can lead a true rebuilding of the Utah Jazz. The key for Utah will be having more than 1 big time team seriously interested in D-Will. I have no doubt that New Jersey's lust for Melo really forced NY's hand in paying a decent value for Melo. If Utah's put in a similar situation, they really could turn what is thought to be a huge negative, into a very big positve.

I hate all the trade D-Will speculation, but one good thing that would come of it is getting a younger max money player in exchange. The contracts are much less and give you a better shot at landing another piece. D-Will is either going to be expensive to resign or will have to trade some cash for a title chance like LeBron's 3 and Tim Duncan did. Steph Curry or Eric Gordon won't cost you as much, plus you might be able to land a really good and cheap for a couple of years rookie to keep the pipeline flowing.

 

[Fakers Luck]

I stopped reading after this. You really think Matthews was worth a lot at the trade deadline last year? Plus, he was in their long term plans. I don't think anyone thought in February of last year that he was going to get the mid-level front loaded.

My point was (if you had bothered to read the whole post before spewing forth an opinion) that in Utah, the constraints on this NBA team are much different than some other teams. No deep pockets or sunny beaches means there may need to be a more proactive approach to managing talent. The development and eventual loss of good young players is becoming a pattern, so if Jazz brass continue keeping every single guy until his contract runs out, then nothing will change. Here's hoping for the new CBA to be friendlier to this market.

 

[Zerol]

The timing is not right... Deron has Chris Paul and Dwight Howard going into the free agency at the same time with him, and those guys are more popular than he is. Teams may want to try Paul first before Deron so our hands are pretty tight, unless we decide to trade Deron now.

 

[BabyPeterzz]

Cool story bro. Let's get in on the Denver dump. Word is they are looking to move Nene and JR Smith. I hate JR, but his contract is up at the end of the season and he would add more outside shooting this season. Nene is beastly, I would love to see him on the Jazz.

All we have to do is give them AK. An huge expiring which leaves them even more room to rebuild next season. They could also use AK to barter with NJ, which have pieces Denver wants.

https://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=465hbh8

Whatdayathink?

 

[Justys]

The timing is not right... Deron has Chris Paul and Dwight Howard going into the free agency at the same time with him, and those guys are more popular than he is. Teams may want to try Paul first before Deron so our hands are pretty tight, unless we decide to trade Deron now.

Totally agree, If were going to trade Dwill its going to have to be now. Not when he is competing with Paul or Howard. Plus Utah could make the team take on Bell and Okurs contract.

idea-D-will-Memo-Bell for Dorral Wright- R-Williams- Step Curry- Bedriens plus a 1st rounder

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

I really have to admit, the way Denver made out in the Melo deal is starting to change my doom and gloom perception for what is on the horizon for D-Will and the Jazz. Instead of looking at it like our 1 legit superstar is most likely going to bolt Utah and leave us broken hearted, I'm starting to see D-Will as a huge bargaining chip that if used correctly, can lead a true rebuilding of the Utah Jazz. The key for Utah will be having more than 1 big time team seriously interested in D-Will. I have no doubt that New Jersey's lust for Melo really forced NY's hand in paying a decent value for Melo. If Utah's put in a similar situation, they really could turn what is thought to be a huge negative, into a very big positve.

I think it will play out well for Utah. Around the time Utah is going to have to face the reality of trading D-Will or losing him for nothing, a few teams might be in a good position to make a strong push.

-The Lakers would almost certainly be interested and with Kobe's career winding down they may be able to commit some serious long-term cash towards D-Will and a few more young superstars.

-The hometown Mav's have a big spending owner and J-Kidd's salary coming off the books around that time.

-New Jersey and their billionaire Russian owner have proven that they are going to keep playing the market until big splashes are made.

Just like Minnesota was needed for NY and Denver to make a deal, you'd have to assume Utah would need a 3rd team to step in in order for the Jazz to maximize their return for trading D-Will but I think it can be done.

When it's all said and done, D-Will may have a huge hand in assuring the Utah Jazz are successful in the future. He may just do it while wearing a different uniform.

You mean just like Boozer and AK were bargaining chips at one point?

 

[NCJazz]

Totally agree, If were going to trade Dwill its going to have to be now. Not when he is competing with Paul or Howard. Plus Utah could make the team take on Bell and Okurs contract.

idea-D-will-Memo-Bell for Dorral Wright- R-Williams- Step Curry- Bedriens plus a 1st rounder

Dont think this is even close to working under salary cap rules unless GS is well under.

 

[7StraightIsGreat]

You mean just like Boozer and AK were bargaining chips at one point?

I believe they both were at one point. Fact is, I think the Jazz coveted cap room in favor of bringing somebody in for Boozer before the deadline. They then managed to turn Boozer leaving into Al Jefferson and for the record I think that was the right move. I also wonder if they favor getting AK's $17 mil off the books without taking any in return.

 

[northeast]

They might as well reduce the league to 8 teams at this point.
This is getting ridiculous.\
Stern should make the refs call the games fair.
If all the refs favs play for the same few teams , the league is dead to me.
If the refs were made to stop favoring some and screwing others, watching the games would be interesting again.

 

[jimmyjazz]

-The Lakers would almost certainly be interested and with Kobe's career winding down they may be able to commit some serious long-term cash towards D-Will and a few more young superstars.

-The hometown Mav's have a big spending owner and J-Kidd's salary coming off the books around that time.

-New Jersey and their billionaire Russian owner have proven that they are going to keep playing the market until big splashes are made.

Just like Minnesota was needed for NY and Denver to make a deal, you'd have to assume Utah would need a 3rd team to step in in order for the Jazz to maximize their return for trading D-Will but I think it can be done.

Who do you want from LA aside from obvious untradables Kobe or Gasol? Odom? Artest? Steve Blake? Fisher? Or what would that 3rd team be willing to send to the Jazz to get into play and absorb the likes of Artest, etc?

Dallas? Beaubois and Butler's expiring for Deron? Haywood? A late 1st round pick to draft the next Almond? Really? Same question about what those guys are worth to a 3rd team that the Jazz would value remotely close to Deron.

The last, AK and Deron on the same team again? Would they be willing to give up Favors and cap space? But what would that leave them with then? NY at least is teaming up Anthony with Amare. If Deron, like Melo, won't commit to extending with a team rebuilding practically from scratch, what would be the point for the New York Netskys.

Not very inspiring options at this point.

So, at least wait until the draft. If not, then the next trade deadline.

Or, hey, how about trading for players to help Deron.

 

[LogGrad98]

Who do you want from LA aside from obvious untradables Kobe or Gasol? Odom? Artest? Steve Blake? Fisher? Or what would that 3rd team be willing to send to the Jazz to get into play and absorb the likes of Artest, etc?

Dallas? Beaubois and Butler's expiring for Deron? Haywood? A late 1st round pick to draft the next Almond? Really? Same question about what those guys are worth to a 3rd team that the Jazz would value remotely close to Deron.

The last, AK and Deron on the same team again? Would they be willing to give up Favors and cap space? But what would that leave them with then? NY at least is teaming up Anthony with Amare. If Deron, like Melo, won't commit to extending with a team rebuilding practically from scratch, what would be the point for the New York Netskys.

Not very inspiring options at this point.

So, at least wait until the draft. If not, then the next trade deadline.

Or, hey, how about trading for players to help Deron.

This before anything else.

 

[PrinceJL]

Totally agree, If were going to trade Dwill its going to have to be now. Not when he is competing with Paul or Howard. Plus Utah could make the team take on Bell and Okurs contract.

idea-D-will-Memo-Bell for Dorral Wright- R-Williams- Step Curry- Bedriens plus a 1st rounder

Dont think this is even close to working under salary cap rules unless GS is well under.

I posted this in another thread...

as much as i despise this 2012 talk, i'd do this trade...

https://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4jtmy8h (or swap Raja/Stevenson in this deal)
Utah: Curry/Chandler/Gadzuric (re-sign Tyson, Millsap 6th man)
Dallas: DWill/Memo/Bell/RWilliams
GS: Kidd/Beaubois/Stevenson/Elson

-Dallas thinks highly on Beaubois (they wouldnt part w/ him for Melo, i dunno why) & GS gets local hero (Kidd) to play alongside w/ Monta & Stevenson expiring cancels out Charlie Bell.
To be honest, I wouldnt do that trade either but im just trying to find creative ways to get us something in return for DWill.... and i doubt this trade would happen this season anyways.
-If I was Cuban, DWill is a bigger star play/build alongside Dirk than Kidd & they still have *ahem* Haywood to start ahead of a *ahem* healthy Memo...
Again, I'm just finding a creative way to replace DWill (who I DONT want to leave).

 

[PrinceJL]

I really have to admit, the way Denver made out in the Melo deal is starting to change my doom and gloom perception for what is on the horizon for D-Will and the Jazz. Instead of looking at it like our 1 legit superstar is most likely going to bolt Utah and leave us broken hearted, I'm starting to see D-Will as a huge bargaining chip that if used correctly, can lead a true rebuilding of the Utah Jazz. The key for Utah will be having more than 1 big time team seriously interested in D-Will. I have no doubt that New Jersey's lust for Melo really forced NY's hand in paying a decent value for Melo. If Utah's put in a similar situation, they really could turn what is thought to be a huge negative, into a very big positve.

I think it will play out well for Utah. Around the time Utah is going to have to face the reality of trading D-Will or losing him for nothing, a few teams might be in a good position to make a strong push.

-The Lakers would almost certainly be interested and with Kobe's career winding down they may be able to commit some serious long-term cash towards D-Will and a few more young superstars.

-The hometown Mav's have a big spending owner and J-Kidd's salary coming off the books around that time.

-New Jersey and their billionaire Russian owner have proven that they are going to keep playing the market until big splashes are made.

Just like Minnesota was needed for NY and Denver to make a deal, you'd have to assume Utah would need a 3rd team to step in in order for the Jazz to maximize their return for trading D-Will but I think it can be done.

When it's all said and done, D-Will may have a huge hand in assuring the Utah Jazz are successful in the future. He may just do it while wearing a different uniform.

Again, I loathe this 2012 talk (cause I think its ruining the present) but if we're going there fans/DWill has to think about which teams are serious in acquiring him that summer (cap & other superstars).

NYK - i think STAT & Melo are more in the CP3 camp, plus I doubt they will have cap/trade-able assets nor do I think Deron wants to deal w/ they NY media.
NJ - depends if they acquire an all-star player to play w/, other than Lopez
ATL - over the cap.... DWill/JJohnson/Horford (S&T for JSmith??), nah??
HOU - they will have cap space that summer.... DWill/KMart/Scola... eh??
DAL - they will have cap but still have Kidd on the books (i thought of this: https://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4jtmy8h)
POR - OMG, they too will have cap & they too will try to F' w/ KOC...DWill/Matthews/Batum/Aldridge/Roy???
LAL - over the cap... DWill/Kobe/Odom/Pau or Bynum (S&T Pau or Bynum)... looks good but lets hope LAL wants Dwight instead of our boy
LAC - well under the cap but they have BDiddy's 15M (last yr). This would be my choice if I were Willy... DWill/Gordon/Blake (OMG, i would jump on their bandwagon)

UTH - He would resign because he's no follower but mgmt HAS to get him a legitimate wing to shoulder the load (my wish is Granger...https://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=47chyk7, w/ other minor parts involved too like swapping Elson for another wing)

• DWill/Watson
• Bell/Price
• Granger/CJ
• Millsap/Murphy/Evans
• Jefferson/Memo/Fes

 

[7StraightIsGreat]

For the record, I'm all for Utah actually trying to trade for players that entice D-Will to stay with Utah. In fact, that's my first choice by far. However, if Utah does that they better be damn sure it results in D-Will staying. Cleveland made every move possible to pacify Lebron (trading for Shaq, trading for Jamison, siging Verjo long term) and none of it was enough to keep Lebron even though he championed those moves at the time they were being made. Now he's gone and the Cleveland front office is stuck with a terrible team full of terrible contracts.

I'm really not saying there's an easy or ideal answer, but I do like the idea of moving D-Will before losing him outright if the Jazz FO is uncertain they can resign him. I'm really glad I'm not KOC right now. His job the next 12 months is going to be hell.