Well, none of us know what the new Jazz system is going to look like yet, so that statement may be a bit off. Harris is skilled PG. He once was considered an All-Star. The guy can ball, and the guy can help us win games.
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Well, none of us know what the new Jazz system is going to look like yet, so that statement may be a bit off. Harris is skilled PG. He once was considered an All-Star. The guy can ball, and the guy can help us win games.
Jazz system? What is that exactly? Is it a law, a mandate to play only in one certain way? There is no "Jazz system". There was a Sloan system but he is gone now.
What the Jazz need to develop is the Corbin-Favors-Hayward+1 system and discard any old concepts. The old concepts never got the team to the promised land anyway.
sportsnut1232
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I know you didn't directly say Memo would take minutes from Favors, but isn't that basically what you're implying? How do you see Memo fitting into the rotation if not? Al is gonna get his 35 minutes, Millsap should get 30 as our sixth man. We need Favors to get atleast 30 minute per game, so I don't see where that leaves Memo. Not to mention it's likely he will never be the same player he was (which wasn't that much to begin with).
As far as the draft, it all depends where we pick. If we get a top 3 pick, I want Derrick Williams or Barnes. If it stays at number 6, it's gonna be tough. I would try hard to trade our 6 and 12 to move into the top 3, or 2 if Barnes doesn't declare. Otherwise, Kanter and Biyombo seem to be the popular choices around here at 6. I wouldn't mind either, and would take either ahead of Kemba and Knight. At 12 if either Kemba or Knight are available, I say we go for one of them, since they will likely be the best players available at that point.
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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Memo is done, Cj needs to be shot, make Millsap are 6th man 20 min. At pf 10 min. at sf, bell needs to become a jazz dancer, his true calling in life start Favors, Play him 35 min. And give him minutes at the c spot behind Al, Memo doesn't need to play anymore he has a hot wife he will be just fine. Let Hayward blossom into the star he will become, and run the offense through him as are playmaker allowing us to take advantage of Harris strength on offense. Ty needs to discover is own philosophy as a coach.
Favors Flave
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Joe, that's what I have just heard. If he is really 19, he is incredible and is extremely physically gifted. His potential would be much higher if he is truly 19. I would still take him if he is older though.
Stifle Tower
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Correct. Harris is a scoring PG. Isn't that what we had in Deron? I'm not saying Harris is a top-5 PG; he's not. But Devin is actually a better finisher on his drives than Williams was. And give the guy a shot at learning the offense (in whatever form it takes). He was a mid-year addition, playing with a bunch of guys who were as equally lost. I can see a solid offense forming with Harris driving and looking for Jefferson, Favors or throwing it back out to Hayward. Devin played pretty well after returning from his injury.
Yes, the Jazz will eventually need to replace him. But I don't think that's an immediate need. Draft strategy can - and should - be to take the BPA. Utah can use the depth anywhere and then look to trade if/when players develop.
And I agree with zman. Corbin needs to develop a system that will rely more on Hayward and Favors. Those 2 guys can be absolutelly dominant at their positions. It might take another 1-2 years for them to develop consistency, but it's gonna be fun to watch them become stars.
My dream line up for next year:
PG: Harris/Jimmer
SG: Hayword/Miles or Alec Burks
SF: Milsap/Evans
PF: Favors/AK
C: Jefferson/Tomic
First team play mainly man to man and execute old school Jazz offense. Pound it down low.
Second team play mainly zone and run as much as possible. They are long, athletic, & quick. Also, with the zone it will hide any sort comings from Jimmer's D. I also think the zone is effective in spurts as not that many teams in the NBA play it.
PG: Harris/Jimmer
SG: Hayword/Miles or Alec Burks
SF: Milsap/Evans
PF: Favors/AK
C: Jefferson/Tomic
First team play mainly man to man and execute old school Jazz offense. Pound it down low.
Second team play mainly zone and run as much as possible. They are long, athletic, & quick. Also, with the zone it will hide any sort comings from Jimmer's D. I also think the zone is effective in spurts as not that many teams in the NBA play it.
So our team as presently constituted is your dream lineup?
The idea of the new no-elite PG ideology is just that. No. To. Them.
So, given the choice of picking Deron Williams or Chris Paul at 3 in 2005, the Jazz shoulda gone for Martell Webster. Ergo, no problem with comments like "That's why I just signed for 3 years" or "Here's to Amare, Melo and me forming our own Big 3 haha".
Or Derrick Rose who, man, in 2008. You go with the pick 2 guy, Beastly Beasley, or the 3 guy, Mayo ace.
Avoid them elite PGs. They never win championships. Travel back in time to swap Stockton for Pippen to help the Mailman. New no elite PG policy to be implemented in the draft and in future trades and signings.
Gyp Rosetti
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So three rookies off the bench are going to swing us from ****** to very good? Sounds about right.
You might need another cup of Koolaid.
No seriously.
Have some more koolaid!
I insist!
If this is true, maybe coach should consider running the offense through Hayward and others more , and letting Harris be a primary scorer.
Gyp Rosetti
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I think you picked up on my sarcasm. I can't be certain. **** the interwebz.
Stifle Tower
Punch Bowl Re-Filler
I don't think that's the philosophy per se. Start McLeod or Palacio on the Lakers or Spurs and those two teams wouldn't have won their titles. You need to have a quality PG to win. I also think the team can make or break a PG. Devin Harris on the Mavs...all-star. On the Nets...2nd tier player. Fisher on the Lakers (well, except for this year)...pretty good PG. On any other team...end of bench.
Favors Flave
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I like Harris a lot. However, if we get Irving I think we should shop Harris and get a good piece and/or draft picks in return.
What would it take to get Westbrook? HOLY ****, he is ****ing awesome. He is so quick and can jump out of the gym and his intensity is unreal. It's unfair Ibaka, Westbrook and Durant are all on the same team (All elite athletes). They won't give up Westbrook but I would give up Millsap, Harris and the 12 pick for him
What would it take to get Westbrook? HOLY ****, he is ****ing awesome. He is so quick and can jump out of the gym and his intensity is unreal. It's unfair Ibaka, Westbrook and Durant are all on the same team (All elite athletes). They won't give up Westbrook but I would give up Millsap, Harris and the 12 pick for him
Joe Bagadonuts
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He's 19. Not only does he have a birth certificate and a youth history to prove it, but he's submitted to bone tests that verify that his age is as advertised. There is no legitimacy whatsoever to the rumor that he's older. If he weren't from Africa no one would have ever made this story up.
Look, if you don't drink the koolaid right now I'm going to shoot you in the muther****ing head!