The Heat have officially blown it.
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billyshelby
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No question Dallas benefits from being able to stock the team with depth. They're not a great example of what's right with the NBA system, but the overspending MO has failed more often than it's worked. Everything they did on the floor is what basketball is all about.
trigg3r
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They have supreme talent and play(ed) at the highest level with that talent. I am just agreeing with candrew that the money issue is a real problem with small market teams. Look at the last 4 title teams and look at their payrolls.
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Zerol
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This. And the Lakers.
I'm ok with keeping it here for a day or overnight or so.
Yes, while I wasn't a huge fan of either team it was nice to see the Evil Empire go down tonight.
billyshelby
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I'm agreeing with him, too. Competitive balance has to be addressed in the new CBA. But there's another way to look at that, as well: Cuban is only taking advantage of the system. But unlike other billionaire owners, he'll lose his own money to win.
He's the most likeable billionaire I've ever seen, because I believe I would be the same way. If I had all that money, I would not be worried year to year if my net worth went down from 1.2 billion to .9 billion. I would own the Jazz, of course, and I would treat the Jazz like my toy that I would spend any amount of money on to make it the best toy on earth every single year.
Cuban is an interesting one. On one hand I the guy irritates me because he is so over the top and because I believe he massively bought into his own hype (at least a few years ago), but on the other hand I really respect the guy for the passion he has and the fact that he really seems to care. I wish there were a little more Cuban in Greggie.
trigg3r
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I definitely don't fault anyone with spending. I just hope it is addressed in the new CBA as you said. Small Market teams can't compete at the levels we currently have.
trigg3r
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Greggie Boy always appears like he is looking for his next bong hit.
vslice02
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Agree, Cuban's approach is defensible because his number-1 goal is to win - and as fans, the best thing you can hope for is an owner who's more commited to winning than the bottom line. I would gladly take Cuban's approach over that of a Donald Sterling who is only looking to make/save as much money as possible.
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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Why do you think Miller cares much less then Cuban?
Sean
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I don't fault Cuban for taking advantage of the system.
But it doesn't make it right and it certainly doesn't mean the Mavs are a shining example of what the culture should be like in the NBA.
Sports shouldn't be an arms race. It shouldn't be about which franchise can outspend the next on a consistent basis. Because once we get into that type of war, those franchises without the capabilities to spend extravagantly over a prolonged period lose.
Would I love for Miller to be like Cuban and spend money like he's printing it in his momma's basement? Sure - but he can't do that. Miller isn't a billionaire. I doubt he can feasibly spend that much money and successfully run a franchise like the Jazz.
Now don't take that as an endorsement of Miller - it's not, of course. I think he could show more commitment to success and a great deal more passion. But he, like his father, is still limited to a point. Cuban really isn't.
Dallas was able to win because they spent a ****-load of money to keep its bench and role players. If that's the only way to win in the NBA, I'm afraid most the Association can't keep up with that.
But it doesn't make it right and it certainly doesn't mean the Mavs are a shining example of what the culture should be like in the NBA.
Sports shouldn't be an arms race. It shouldn't be about which franchise can outspend the next on a consistent basis. Because once we get into that type of war, those franchises without the capabilities to spend extravagantly over a prolonged period lose.
Would I love for Miller to be like Cuban and spend money like he's printing it in his momma's basement? Sure - but he can't do that. Miller isn't a billionaire. I doubt he can feasibly spend that much money and successfully run a franchise like the Jazz.
Now don't take that as an endorsement of Miller - it's not, of course. I think he could show more commitment to success and a great deal more passion. But he, like his father, is still limited to a point. Cuban really isn't.
Dallas was able to win because they spent a ****-load of money to keep its bench and role players. If that's the only way to win in the NBA, I'm afraid most the Association can't keep up with that.
trigg3r
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I don't think he cares any less. I do think he looks like a guy look for his next bong hit when the camera shows him.
I remember a few years ago many Jazz fans were laughing at Cuban, how he always tried to bring star players in, making trades, try different coaches. People were pointing to the Jazz, how we have stability, few trades, same coach for decades, and we are better off because of that. Well, Cuban kept trading, kept changing coaches, and after just 11 years he has a title to show for it. This is really an example of having a will and balls to win. Great job by Mark and the Mavericks. And to do it against Heat, it just doesn't get any better than that.
Unfortunately, I think Heat will probably still get 3 titles or so in the next 4 years. Too much talent there, although the good news is that Wade will be 30 by next play-offs, and will start slowing down in the next couple of years, being that he relies on his athleticism a lot, and that's the first thing to go as athletes age. Miami should slow down enough by the time young Jazz advance to the Finals...
The Thriller
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No one is talking about it...
But Rick Carlisle is a heck of a coach.
While the media is slurping Dirkmania, everyone is forgetting about Rick. He brought a toughness to the team that lacked in Nellie. Yet, he made adjustments and was creative enough to maintain the team's dynamic approach. He adjusted strategies and changed his lineup. Injecting Barea into the starting 5 was brilliant. Using the Custodian when Haywood went down was fantastic. And sitting Peja's veteran butt was something that as Jazz fans, we could only dream our coaching staff of doing.
Dirk was fantastic. Jet, Barea, Kidd, Marion, and Chandler deserve credit. But without Carlisle, this team probably isn't holding up the trophy right now.
But Rick Carlisle is a heck of a coach.
While the media is slurping Dirkmania, everyone is forgetting about Rick. He brought a toughness to the team that lacked in Nellie. Yet, he made adjustments and was creative enough to maintain the team's dynamic approach. He adjusted strategies and changed his lineup. Injecting Barea into the starting 5 was brilliant. Using the Custodian when Haywood went down was fantastic. And sitting Peja's veteran butt was something that as Jazz fans, we could only dream our coaching staff of doing.
Dirk was fantastic. Jet, Barea, Kidd, Marion, and Chandler deserve credit. But without Carlisle, this team probably isn't holding up the trophy right now.
vslice02
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Well I think - like Daniel Snyder and the Redskins - in many respects it was laughable. The difference with this team was Dallas focused more on "role players" (Chandler, Haywood, Marion) rather than the flashy high-scoring types (Antoine Walker, Antwawn Jamison, Raef LaFrentz, Nick Van Exel, Keith Van Horn). They would always go after the biggest FA fish in the pond - even if that guy happened to be Erik Dampier, and it's not like the Devin Harris draft-day trade, or the Kidd trade in '08 paid immediate dividends. Dallas also thought long and hard about acquiring Al Jefferson but decided to pass on the "scorer" instead for the defense/toughness of Haywood. If you're going to make tons of moves - they have to make sense and Dallas gradually figured out how to build a championship team instead of a fantasy team.
I love your optimism.
carolinajazz
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...sitting Peja was a very smart move....and they didn't miss his 3 point shooting anyway, as other players picked up the slack. So he gets a ring and contributed in the other early round series. He's deserving.
I cannot rep you but I would rep THE **** out of this.
