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The HELL NO to AK and Fes Thread

I actually like AK.... IF he'll accept a greatly reduced role and salary. He needs to understand fewer minutes would help him lengthen his career. As Dallas demonstrated, a deep bench keeps a team fresher and more capable of weathering an opponents runs; bringing them right back as soon as the run abates. He has great floor vision for passing, and can still defend with that insane length...
 
Fes is obviously out.

If AK will truly give us a discount, then bring him back for something like $5-6 million/year for two years.
 
cowhide said:
It is amazing how AK is still beloved in Utah with all the crap he 's pulled. Besides being grossly overpaid. I cannot believe anyone would want to give a 5 year contract. I highly doubt AK is going to take less than 6 or 7 million. AK will get offers from other teams and I think AK should look at playoff teams so he could have a chance at playing for a ring instead of a rebuild in Utah.

I don't think the Jazz need both CJ and AK. I don't really see the need to bring in another veteran SG/SF to get major minutes unless we move Bell/CJ/Hayward/Burks. Bell and CJ are veterans who demand minutes so bring another veteran is only going to take minutes away from Hayward and Burks. I am done with "bringing in washed up vets to take away minutes from promising rookies" mentality that has been a staple of the Sloan era. It is time to play the best players and move forward instead of holding onto "favorite" jazz players like AK. The goal is about winning and not popularity.
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he cant find a better team imo, he can go to teams like gsw, toronto or else., with a better contract but play for the lottery. If he accepts a pretty sensible deal in utah, he may help the team be contender in 2-3 yrs. Oklahoma was full of kids 2 yrs ago. Now they r almost a contender. We have a very goiod young core, just we gotta fill the rest with good players, not overrated players like big al or harris with overloaded contract
 
PadgettsPumpFake said:
Is this overkill?

Anyway I think it is time to move on. Even if AK was willing to sign for a sane amount of money, I don't see what the upside for the Jazz is. He has peaked ability-wise (some would say defensively he did 6 years ago), but my reasons for my HELL NO vote has more to do with mentality. AK and Fes bring a casual mentality that I believe would be detrimental to the development of our youth movement. Watson, Harris, Millsap, and Okur can be the veterans we need to mentor our younger talents. I say regardless of the $ it's time to say goodbye to these two.
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I completely agree.
 
Qman said:
At this point we don't have enough players on the wings. Especially someone to matchup with Durant. AK could fill that role.
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It's laughable to me that we sign a player because of one team's opposing player. One team's opposing player who would scorch AK no matter what anyway. AK's ship sailed years ago when he got married and got his max deal. It's time for his funeral dirge.
 
billyshelby said:
If there aren't any trades, KOC is definitely adding a vet to Hayward/Miles/Bell/Burks. I would guess that guy will have to be 2 seasons max. It also has to be a guy who can play big minutes, but understands he might not. I don't know if AK fits the bill on that.
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Well said. Keep in mind Millsap may largely be able to fit into that group as well though, thus making our need to find a sf moot.
 
GVC said:
If you can sign AK to a reasonably priced two year deal, you have to think about it, since he'd have decent value in trades with that sort of contract.
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****, you just convinced me. We could maybe package AK and Millsap/Bell/Miles/Harris for something fairly special...a mid first rounder...a legit 3...

The Devil and Greg Miller.
 
I'd rather play a guy with talent and heart out-of-position than play a guy who's the prototype of the position physically but sucks. Think about it. It's the same reason why Ronnie Brewer is a better power forward than John Amaechi.
 
infection said:
I'd rather play a guy with talent and heart out-of-position than play a guy who's the prototype of the position physically but sucks. Think about it. It's the same reason why Ronnie Brewer is a better power forward than John Amaechi.
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No John Amechi sucked because he liked getting posted up too much. That's just bad defense right there.
 
Scorpjazz said:
Easy to have this plan and idea when it isnt your money going down the drain as attendance drops and the team loses money from no wins. Yeah, if it wasnt a business, great idea.
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Jazz probably aren't making the playoffs no matter what Corbin does. So that extra revenue is out of the picture. Go with a youth movement and what does it cost, perhaps 3,000 less fans -at most - over 2 years? What's the average ticket price, around $50? Multiply that by 41 games. So about $600K/yr. You make that up by not signing washed-up vets trying to improve the win total by 5-6 games (but still missing the playoffs). Say no to AK. Perhaps pick uo CJ's option but then trade him for a 2012 pick. It's not a lot of money to make up and the Jazz are already in decent position with AK's salary off the books now and Okur's coming off next year.

Jazz are in a true rebuilding phase, but actually have some solid talent. I'd roll the dice with a starting lineup of Favors-Jefferson-Millsap-Hayward-Harris and bring Kanter, Okur and Burks off the bench. That's an 8-man rotation + the Jazz need a backup PG, so I'd try to re-sign Watson. Bell is also available for 10 mins/per at SG, but definitely NOT as a starter. Against smaller lineups, Hayward plays SF and Millsap becomes the 6th man.

The main point is that Favors, Hayward, Kanter and Burks MUST get significant minutes if the Jazz are going to be a force in 2-3 years.
 
i didnt follow nba till 2006, was there an issue about AK which would leave question mark on peoples mind about his attitude?
because since then i only remember a problem about him with boozer&deron, accusing him for the loss against Spurs which AK didnt have any fault at all.
Im trying to figure out, why people think his intangibles are so questionable?
For me only thing would be injury proneness. And Ak needs to fill he has a good role, not only as a defender but as an offensive guy also. I have watched what he is capable of in euro basket 2007 when he was given a major role in the team, he lead the team to championship ahead of powerful spain(hosts) in their best time.
I dont expect to see the same performance from him anymore, but if his role is clear, he will add something to the team for sure. My only concern would be his health, not his attitude
 
GlassEater said:
Great point. And that's one reason I think Corbin was given a guaranteed deal and a vote of confidence by ownership. Corbin has to concentrate on playing the younger guys and it may cost him a few wins initially.
Part of me says let's just go for it. Start Burks and Hayward at the wings. Play Favors and Kanter heavy minutes. I don't care if that means the Jazz only win 20 games next season. That just gives us a chance to get another wing or a replacement for Harris.
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Are you going to be buying tickets? Most people won't, though I see your point it won't happen.
 
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