They seem to be tied into sexuality, at the very least. I don't know if that is necessary or not.
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They seem to be tied into sexuality, at the very least. I don't know if that is necessary or not.
Since it is a social construct it dictates society. The more it is allowed to dictate society is increasingly bad because it creates more customs, rules, boundaries that go against someone’s nature.
I can’t call it useless because as a straight, white male I get lots of use out of all these favorable social constructs, but I think it can only be used in malevolent ways (often unconscious/ignorant malevolence).
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Why would you not take professor of psychology seriously? I like his thinking about this issue. And it must hurt his opponents that despite trying hard to silence him he keeps teaching in university and has millions of followers on Youtube. Man speaks the truth, nobody can force you to use the pronouns you are not comfortable in using.
"I will never use words I hate, like the trendy and artificially constructed words "zhe" and "zher." These words are at the vanguard of a post-modern, radical leftist ideology that I detest, and which is, in my professional opinion, frighteningly similar to the Marxist doctrines that killed at least 100 million people in the 20th century.
I have been studying authoritarianism on the right and the left for 35 years. I wrote a book, Maps of Meaning: The Architecture of Belief, on the topic, which explores how ideologies hijack language and belief. As a result of my studies, I have come to believe that Marxism is a murderous ideology. I believe its practitioners in modern universities should be ashamed of themselves for continuing to promote such vicious, untenable and anti-human ideas, and for indoctrinating their students with these beliefs. I am therefore not going to mouth Marxist words. That would make me a puppet of the radical left, and that is not going to happen. Period."
As far as dating is concerned, I don't think it is anyone's place to judge any of the criteria one uses to determine who they will or will not date. We all employ hundreds of criteria, both conscious and subconscious, and we are absolutely free to determine based on whatever we want who we will or will not be in a romantic relationship with. None of us have any obligation to be in a romantic relationship with anyone, and we certainly don't have an obligation to select people based on any concept of fairness.
I don't take her seriously because she uses obfuscation when questions, refuses to explain her points in detail, and relies on traditional cultural stereotypes and horrible biology instead of serious ideas. Sure, Peterson makes money and has followers. Anytime one decides to publicly support the oppressive group over the oppressed with reassurances that their oppression is justified, one can make plenty of money doing just that.
Frankly, I think that is a large part of her appeal for you.
Here's a great example of her dissemination. Why would a person hate a non-word? Who hates "quorgo" or 'supercalifragilisticexpealidocious"? Meanwhile, the notion of "a post-modern, radical leftist ideology" is a contradiction in terms. Radical leftist ideologies are expression of modernism, post-modernism is an explicit criticism of these ideologies. Peterson has just strung together buzzwords for supporters to latch on to, but she uses them without a care for what they actually mean.
How brave she is to decry Marxism in the US and Canada! What a bold position![/SARCASM]
I completely agree.
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Are you calling him a her on purpose? Just trying to understand your reason.
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Isn't that what is happening with trying to create new pronouns? Ze or shim or some of the others I have heard.
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Nobody is forcing you to use those. Zhe and Zher is a different story.
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I can't help but think of how ignorant you are and how to translate one thing into meaning absolute statements.
1. Sure, dating is a cultural activity, but it's also a biological activity. Some people want relationships where they can have kids. We see this in the animal kingdom as well, but the difference between humans and animals goes beyond just the desire to have sex. Many times, humans make concious and cognitive decisions to reproduce or have the desire to do that one day in their life. Heterosexuals can can do this in a relationship with a transgender person. It's not to say that transgender relationships are less than heterosexual relationships at all (I support anyone who's in love and wish them happiness,) it's just saying something that's a fact.
2. Joe Rogan has many people on his show with many different backgrounds. He's not a political podcaster - he just engages conversations with a vast arrange of guests. Sometimes his opinions align with his guests, sometimes they don't e.g. Steven Crowder. Again, I suggested the video because I like Joe Rogan and I thought the podcast with Dr Soh was interesting. You can **** on Rogan all you want and that podcast. I'm sure if you listened to the whole podcast or Rogan more often, you'd find Rogan to be pretty level headed. There's a reason he has one of the biggest podcasts in the world. Cool dude.
3. The whole notion where you state it's discrimination if a heterosexual won't date a transgender is absurd to me - especially when you defend racial discrimination.
Discrimination: the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things, especially on the grounds of race, age, or sex.
Your butterscotch/caramel example is silly and a stretch.
It's not discrimination and I'll tell you why. Gender is different than sex. Heterosexuals (for the most part, not an absolute) are interested in the opposite sex because of biological reasons. Transgender females are different than females naturally born females. This is not to say there's something wrong with transgenders in the slightest, it's just saying they're different. There is no prejudice in not being interested in this type of dating. There's nothing unjust about it
I'd also like to add that if someone is heterosexual and dates a transgender partner and doesn't see or think of their relationship as anything different than heterosexuality, then that's fine with me too.
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Not yet. But the talk about Jordan Peterson is really about actual laws compelling speech. Some fear that what's happening in Canada could happen here. I used to run in liberal circles and never heard those words, but I'm hearing so much about it these days that I wonder. It's oh so 1984.
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I am talking about prof. Peterson. He was threatened by university to start using them when addressing students who identify with whatever they want.
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Somebody once told me that if I do not use chopsticks in Vietnamese restaurant when eating Vietnamese dish that it is disrespectful to their culture. Well, sorry but I am using fork as it is way more convenient for me and I have no legal obligations to do it. Same with pronouns. Not going to use anything but he or she. Freedom of speech baby!
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Born females are biologically born females with female parts. Trans females are biologically born males with male parts.
(I'm not including inner sex.)
Do you think what I'm saying is far off or discrimination?
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My grandma told a story about how she took her kids to China Town in SF and told them they must use chopsticks. Then, the kids looked around the room and pointed out that most of the Chinese people were using forks.Jeez. Learn how to use chopsticks.
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