The Honesty of Transgender Identity

[♪alt13]

The bathroom issue. First, as much as possible the only reason I use a public restroom is to pee. If I've got to take a dump I will, but I certainly don't want to use a public restroom to take a dump. So for me I don't get why there would ever be a problem with a person using a restroom to pee or poop according to the one they feel more comfortable using. I don't hang out in public restrooms. I don't socialize in public restrooms, in fact I avoid eye contact or any type of interaction if I can. I'm in there to pee and get out. (I wash my hands)

I think a trans female has much more to fear if she is forced to use the men's room than anyone using the women's room has to fear from her. In fact, that's why urinary tract infections are a problem for trans people, they avoid using public restrooms at all, out of fear.

In my house the boys and girls use the same restroom. Me and my wife poop in the same toilet like every day. Sometimes other people come over(boys and girls) and they pee and even occasionally poop in there too! I know it's kind of a radical social experiment that we are running but honestly we have had no problems thus far.

 

[Gameface]

In my house the boys and girls use the same restroom. Me and my wife poop in the same toilet like every day. Sometimes other people come over(boys and girls) and they pee and even occasionally poop in there too! I know it's kind of a radical social experiment that we are running but honestly we have had no problems thus far.

Keep us posted, it sounds risky.

 

[Gameface]

I'm a fan of the RadioLab podcast and this is one that fits this discussion. It's 54min long... head's up.

 

[JAZZGASM]

Given that you're now arguing against the consensus of thousands of mental health professionals, what are your qualifications?

I think you've really hit on something significant with these comments, Bullet. Adolescents and children identifying as TG is-- I'll just say it bluntly-- concerning. Not because they couldn't possibly be TG, but because it is baffling why we would think young people undergoing rapid hormonal changes, and the physical and mental and emotional changes that accompany that, should be expected to state with certainty what they are. I'm not sure if candrew's information about the high incidence of TG 'switching back' is accurate, but if it is, it makes sense, doesn't it? Why are we pressuring children to make statements about gender and sexuality, or-- at a minimum-- allowing an environment that subjects them to that kind of social pressure? Sure, let's educate and encourage and cultivate, but with the understanding there is no need at age 8 or 12 or 16 to take a stand as TG... or hetero, or gay, or anything. Be kids; have fun; learn about the world.

There are drugs that can suppresses puberty and they are allowed in some countries until kids who feel transgendered can make the decision for themselves what they want to do. Once the treatment stops, normal puberty starts again. Seems like a good middle ground for kids who may not know for sure what they want for the rest of their lives. Either way, a hard decision for a parent.

I can see argument for both sides that transgenderism is/is not a mental illness. Whether it is or isn't doesn't really matter to me. It appears that the medical community went away from calling it a mental illness to reduce the stigma it was creating. It is still considered a disorder, which may be to have an avenue to get insurance to pay for treatment. To me it seems logical that if your brain does not line up with the physical characteristics of your body, you have a disorder mental or otherwise. If someone truly feels they are the wrong gender, I'm not sure that hormones or surgery will every make them feel whole, but if it helps then go for it. It would be pretty sad to have to feel that way. Transgendered people have a much higher rate of suicide attempts (41% overall IIRC) and even when they have full family and friend support and live in countries where being trans is more accepted, the suicide rate is much higher compared with non-trans. There is also a strong occurrence of other mental disorders (eating disorders, etc.) within the transgendered community. If calling someone they, non-binary, etc. and showing a little respect can make another human's life more bearable, then I'm all for it.

 

[JAZZGASM]

In my house the boys and girls use the same restroom. Me and my wife poop in the same toilet like every day. Sometimes other people come over(boys and girls) and they pee and even occasionally poop in there too! I know it's kind of a radical social experiment that we are running but honestly we have had no problems thus far.

I saw that some Kansas City schools just started co-ed bathrooms. The main washroom is shared and the stalls are completely private from floor to ceiling. It will also allow teachers to monitor the washroom area.

I personally hate public restrooms. The stalls give no privacy and the urinals are even worse, especially those without dividers. Having completely private stalls is a win for everyone.

 

[Gameface]

I saw that some Kansas City schools just started co-ed bathrooms. The main washroom is shared and the stalls are completely private from floor to ceiling. It will also allow teachers to monitor the washroom area.

I personally hate public restrooms. The stalls give no privacy and the urinals are even worse, especially those without dividers. Having completely private stalls is a win for everyone.

Yeah, I've been an advocate for fully private single person restrooms for basically my entire life. How these community restrooms have become the norm in our society is odd to me, and it has nothing at all to do with transgender people. If we had single person restrooms this whole transgender thing regarding which restroom they choose would be a non-issue.

Reminds me of a pet peeve I need to post.

 

[JAZZGASM]

Yeah, I've been an advocate for fully private single person restrooms for basically my entire life. How these community restrooms have become the norm in our society is odd to me, and it has nothing at all to do with transgender people. If we had single person restrooms this whole transgender thing regarding which restroom they choose would be a non-issue.

Reminds me of a pet peeve I need to post.

I've had some weird bathroom experiences. Had a random drunk dude put his arm on my shoulder while we were both at urinals at a rock concert and compliment my junk. I physically couldn't use a urinal for a couple years after that. Caused a type of metal stage fright. I eventually got over it. I've also had people looking at me through the crack that exists between every metal "privacy stall" in bathrooms. Just weird stuff.

I also hate when co-workers want to have a conversation while I'm going to the bathroom. The whole Alec Baldwin in Along Came Polly scenario comes to mind. Maybe I'm weird, but I'd like some privacy while I do my thing.

 

[MVP]

So this story was circulating around few days ago. Transgender women got outed out by Westjet gate agent during check in... but. She tried to use her old ID with Male identity and Male picture from 5 years ago. I really do not understand why is she crying bloody murder about it when she is the one responsible that her ID is updated and matching her current gender. No wonder gate agent got confused as he sees a lady trying to check in but her ID shows a male with male identity and male picture. I really hate when people start blowing things out of proportion, it was your responsibility to use updated ID, don't complain that you felt mistreated, be happy you were even allowed on the plane.
Like if my old ID photo is with huge beard and long black hair and now I am shaved and died my short hair blonde... would I be complaining if gate agent would be double checking that it is really me and not some kind of criminal trying to get on the plane?
https://www.news.com.au/travel/trav...n/news-story/7438243670474e40cb7ce00674c8af9d

 

[Siro]

I won't even use urinals without a divider.

 

[MVP]

How about some public washrooms in Asia? Seems to be very equal for all

 

[Ron Mexico]

I saw that some Kansas City schools just started co-ed bathrooms. The main washroom is shared and the stalls are completely private from floor to ceiling. It will also allow teachers to monitor the washroom area.

I personally hate public restrooms. The stalls give no privacy and the urinals are even worse, especially those without dividers. Having completely private stalls is a win for everyone.

Yep, no one gets mad that port o potties are not Men/Women at events. You have your private stall and a general waiting area and often a general hand wash area.

I am a big fan of this. Plus more open areas and public areas will lead to less problems. Bathrooms that are super private and away leave more opportunities for ****** people to bad things.

 

[Ron Mexico]

I won't even use urinals without a divider.

Really? I miss the dive bars having a big trough. I prefer an ounce of privacy but not if that means a longer line. Although I do dislike getting splashed on by someone else, so there is that.

 

[Red]

Christine Hallquist, trailblazing Vermont candidate for governor.

 

[Siro]

Really? I miss the dive bars having a big trough. I prefer an ounce of privacy but not if that means a longer line. Although I do dislike getting splashed on by someone else, so there is that.

I'm too shy to use a trough. I go out of my way at work to go to the bathroom with big dividers. All the others have tiny dividers, and some people will talk to me while pissing (??).

 

[MVP]

All the others have tiny dividers, and some people will talk to me while pissing (??).

Good they do not ask you to help them out

 

[JazzGal]

There seems to be so much drama surrounding something we all have to do several times per day. It's weird that we can't figure it out.

Someone above mentioned pills that delay puberty. I'm thinking about how many problems in society would be solved if everyone used these and puberty didn't start until after high school graduation.

 

[Ron Mexico]

I'm too shy to use a trough. I go out of my way at work to go to the bathroom with big dividers. All the others have tiny dividers, and some people will talk to me while pissing (??).

I think most people feel like you do. I do sometimes as well.

How about taking to people while you poop?

I don't really mind having conversations while doing my business, it makes it more casual, like it should be.

That's why bar bathrooms are better, everyone makes funny comments and there are lots of conversations when everyone is drunk. People are less shy and their worries seem to disappear.

 

[♪alt13]

Yep, no one gets mad that port o potties are not Men/Women at events. You have your private stall and a general waiting area and often a general hand wash area.

I am a big fan of this. Plus more open areas and public areas will lead to less problems. Bathrooms that are super private and away leave more opportunities for ****** people to bad things.

I saw a women only Porta potty a few weeks ago at a construction site it even had a padlock on it to prevent men from using it. It seemed crazy ridiculous to me

 

[Ron Mexico]

I saw a women only Porta potty a few weeks ago at a construction site it even had a padlock on it to prevent men from using it. It seemed crazy ridiculous to me

That is crazy. The women probably complained that they couldn't find one without piss everywhere. People suck at aiming and/or using the urinal that's in them for some reason.

 

[LogGrad98]

How about some public washrooms in Asia? Seems to be very equal for all

Now that is a squatty potty.