Archie Moses
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Both doggie styles that fish is a fan of all in one picture.
The Honesty of Transgender Identity
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Are people raised by black parents, but pass for white starting in, for example, college and get treated as white for the rest of their lives actually black? white? Sometimes the world is to complex for simple categories. I have no need to characterize Dolezal, and she has no need for it.
Are we still limiting this to people with fraud convictions/diversions/etc.? If a known confidence man (say, someone who ran a Ponzi scheme) suddenly reveals their putative transgender identity while in prison and asks to be transferred to a woman's facility, should we apply no skepticism?
I believe everyone on this topic unless I have a person-specific reason to disbelieve.
Jazz Traveler
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I went to the library last night. And a man/woman helped me. Women’s clothes and voice, but she/he had a beard. And I was surprised how uncomfortable and awkward it made me feel, although I tried not to let it show. Not sure why I felt that way, either.
That's how we grow.
Great way to lower you income tax as married filing jointly versus single.
Clearly you didn’t read that because he said your daughter, meaning you can no longer claim her as a dependent.
I was talking about marrying a dog
You just had to go full stupid on that one, eh?
If you want to make an actual post about trans people competing in sports I'd have that conversation.
I think there is a serious dilemma and I don't think the solution is one that would make the trans community particularly happy.
But if you're just posting for the lolz carry on.
AlaskanAssassin
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What's the solution?
Is that your attempt to initiate a dialogue?
I don't have canned answer to your question.
AlaskanAssassin
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I'd like to have the conversation too. I'm curious as to what the solution might be.
Transgender women recently setting records in several sports (cycling, weightlifting) has caused quite a stir. I can understand why there are biologically female athletes that are bothered by this. No matter what the "solution" is, someone is not going to like it.
Clearly your sense of humor ends after your last post.
Maybe. It was all a joke, maybe a bad one. Oh well.
The real question is not whether these women were transgender, but do transgender women generally have an advantage? Are the top 3/4 female cyclists/weightlifters/etc. all transgender, or are these women unusual among transgender athletes generally?
Hotdog
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Nah. The real question is why dont we just mix all men and women's sports? If its no big deal for transgender to cross over to the otherside and compete, then why not? What's the difference?
A valid, but different, question.
This is where your history of being a troll works against you. If I thought you were serious, I would be happy to go into the difference from my limited point of view, and point out some others who can cover it better. I doubt your serious enough to bother with.
I'm not educated enough in biology to provide what I would consider a clear point of delineation but I do think there should be a standard, likely related to testosterone, and that standard should not apply the same way to biologically female athletes as it does to transgender female athletes. There should also be some amount of time between the beginning of transition via hormone treatments/hormone blockers, and eligibility to compete in high level* sports.
I think this is an issue that the transgender community needs to give a little on, honestly. I can't imagine anyone transitioning in ernest just so that they can get a couple wins in a sport, but I also don't think it's an impossibility.
*I don't really know what I would define as "high level sports" but generally when you're in a position to set a world record in a sport I'd say that qualifies.
In lower level sports, youth sports, etc. I think it gets a lot more murky, but I feel there should be a much more significant tendency to let all people participate.
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