The Honesty of Transgender Identity

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Exactly. Why have women's sports and men's sports at all. Why not just sports and let the chips fall where they may?

For that matter, why have professional sports at all?

Answer, to make money.

 

[Hotdog]

So by "hurt", you meant "lost"? Why should women be protected from losing?

Haha. Oh man. Im certain now you just argue to argue.

Why protect women from anything? Why protect minorities from "losing" in life?

You dont think that women use sports to further their success in life the same way men do? You dont think it matters to them?

Im actually pretty surprised you aren't woke on this matter. It's just like I said, when it comes to trans the woke left completely forgets about every other protected class and elevates trans to the top of the victim hierarchy. This is a perfect example of how you become too woke that brains have fallen completely out of your head. This is the glitch in the matrix of wokeness. This is where the computer doesn't compute. This is where the left eats its own and self destructs.

The obvious question here is why do you think its ok to trample over protected classes to save another? I dont think I will get an answer though. This is where you answer my question with another point avoiding question. But I know its because you cant answer the question. Woke leftism is a contradictory philosophical message at its core. Its impossible for you to answer the question. So you won't because you can't.

 

[Hotdog]

The ironic thing about this too is that most trans are probably white men transitioning to white females.

It's ok to be a suppressive white male as long as you just say you feel like a women. Then all responsibility is lifted off. #wokelogic

 

[Hotdog]

For that matter, why have professional sports at all?

Answer, to make money.

And you want to deny women from making money on sports. Thats goes for all women of color and sexual orientation.

Can't wait for all women's sports to be dominated by white males and the left supporting it.

 

[LogGrad98]

For that matter, why have professional sports at all?

Answer, to make money.

I know that the Olympics are really a money making endeavour, but most athletes in the Olympics are not in it for the contract, so why separate there?

What about collegiate sports? Or high School?

 

[bigb]

My daughter actually threw the shot put in high school, and I guarantee you she could have out-thrown any of her brothers at that age. Throwers have different bodies than runners (which I'm guessing your daughter is, based on being in club-level soccer).

Go ahead, do some research on the subject.

My daughter is most certainly not a sprinter. I’m a 350 pound 41 year old man with a bad foot and I can out sprint her in a 40 yard dash. What makes her a comp level soccer player is most definitely not her speed.
My 12 year old son is naturally more athletic and stronger than his older sister. Even being 3 years younger, when they wrestle around, he can move her around almost as he wishes. Playing tackle football for the first time this year, he often went against bigger kids. Sometimes much bigger (there was one kid that was almost as big as me, both height and waist). He held his own against all of them, beating most of them, and dominated one or two.
Now imagine him as a high school senior who just transitioned to female the summer before. Are you going to tell me he wouldn’t have a built in advantage competing against a field of life long females?


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Why protect women from anything? Why protect minorities from "losing" in life?

We're discussing sports, not life.

You dont think that women use sports to further their success in life the same way men do? You dont think it matters to them?

I think the women talented and successful enough to do so don't need our protection.

Im actually pretty surprised you aren't woke on this matter.

I am not surprised that you use "woke" to mean the opposite of what it supposedly means.

It's just like I said, when it comes to trans the woke left completely forgets about every other protected class and elevates trans to the top of the victim hierarchy.

The "woke" left understands that there is no hierarchy.

The obvious question here is why do you think its ok to trample over protected classes to save another?

The more fundamental question is why you see someone being trampled over, when there is no evidence to support it.

Its impossible for you to answer the question. So you won't because you can't.

I agree there is no good answer to questions based on false premises.

 

[fishonjazz]

My daughter is most certainly not a sprinter. I’m a 350 pound 41 year old man with a bad foot and I can out sprint her in a 40 yard dash. What makes her a comp level soccer player is most definitely not her speed.
My 12 year old son is naturally more athletic and stronger than his older sister. Even being 3 years younger, when they wrestle around, he can move her around almost as he wishes. Playing tackle football for the first time this year, he often went against bigger kids. Sometimes much bigger (there was one kid that was almost as big as me, both height and waist). He held his own against all of them, beating most of them, and dominated one or two.
Now imagine him as a high school senior who just transitioned to female the summer before. Are you going to tell me he wouldn’t have a built in advantage competing against a field of life long females?


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He would likely destroy them and probably injure quite a few


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And you want to deny women from making money on sports.

Not at all.

Can't wait for all women's sports to be dominated by white males and the left supporting it.

Still waiting for evidence that will happen.

 

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I know that the Olympics are really a money making endeavour, but most athletes in the Olympics are not in it for the contract, so why separate there?

What about collegiate sports? Or high School?

I don't have a good reason to have women's sports separate from men's sports. I'f like to see evidence that trans women athletes overall strongly outperform cis women athletes before I connect that issue to segregation in sports by gender.

 

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My daughter is most certainly not a sprinter. I’m a 350 pound 41 year old man with a bad foot and I can out sprint her in a 40 yard dash. What makes her a comp level soccer player is most definitely not her speed.

I didn't say "sprinter", I said "runner". Are you saying that your daughter is bigger and stronger than the other soccer players, or that she has better endurance?

Playing tackle football for the first time this year, he often went against bigger kids. Sometimes much bigger (there was one kid that was almost as big as me, both height and waist). He held his own against all of them, beating most of them, and dominated one or two.

It sounds like your son would not be atypical transgender athlete, then. He's not even a typical male athlete, as he dominates them, right?

Now imagine him as a high school senior who just transitioned to female the summer before. Are you going to tell me he wouldn’t have a built in advantage competing against a field of life long females?

It sounds like he has an advantage against both boys and girls. Do you think he should not be allowed to compete at all?

 

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The ironic thing about this too is that most trans are probably white men transitioning to white females.

You are being aggressively, hurtfully ignorant. Why do you like to cause pain this much?

 

[Hotdog]

Not at all.



Still waiting for evidence that will happen.

Are you saying you are unaware of transgender people entering and winning contests and breaking records, in women's competitions?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/spor...ender-powerlifter-asks-where-do-we-draw-line/

https://stream.org/transgender-male-breaks-female-records-really/

https://www.aol.com/article/news/20...regory-smashes-womens-world-records/23720231/

What more evidence do you need? Literally a white male transitioned to a female, entered a power lifting contest and broke records.

 

[Hotdog]

You are being aggressively, hurtfully ignorant. Why do you like to cause pain this much?

What was ignorant about what I said?

 

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Are you saying you are unaware of transgender people entering and winning contests and breaking records, in women's competitions?

I'm aware of, out of hundreds of transgender athletes, one weightlifter and one cyclist at the top levels in their sports. Got any others?

 

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What was ignorant about what I said?

I meant to quote the other part of that post.

It's ok to be a suppressive white male as long as you just say you feel like a women. Then all responsibility is lifted off.

There's a lot more to being trans that "feel like". Trans people bear a huge amount of societal hate. They are held responsible for many things. Participating in sports is not "suppressive".

Those are hurtful things to say.

 

[framer]

It's a women's community college league. What' makes you think there aren't former WNBA players who could be just as dominant at the age of 52?

Because former WNBA players at 51 would not be allowed to play on a girl's community college team. The only reason this person got to compete was because of the convergence of morons trying to out virtue signal one another.

 

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Because former WNBA players at 51 would not be allowed to play on a girl's community college team.

Fine. Change "former WNBA player" to "woman with WNBA physique who never played", and answer the question.

The only reason this person got to compete was because of the convergence of morons trying to out virtue signal one another.

They got to play because they didn't have enough college sports history to prevent eligibility. No virtue signaling needed.

 

[bigb]

I didn't say "sprinter", I said "runner". Are you saying that your daughter is bigger and stronger than the other soccer players, or that she has better endurance?[\QUOTE]

While not “fat”, she’s a big, strong girl. 99% of the time, when there is contact, the other player loses. She rarely comes out of a game, playing all 90 minutes (though I think the vast majority of players at that level could do that). What makes my daughter a comp level soccer player is her brains. She anticipates so we’ll and reads the field at a high level.

It sounds like your son would not be atypical transgender athlete, then. He's not even a typical male athlete, as he dominates them, right? [\QUOTE]

He dominated A FEW of the boys that were bigger than him. He worked his butt off to get better at football. Besides, we’re not talking about “atypical athletes”. @Gameface himself said high level athletes are a different topic (I can’t remember how he put it, and I’m not going to look it up to quote it; but that was my understanding). We’re talking a normal high school/college level athlete.

It sounds like he has an advantage against both boys and girls. Do you think he should not be allowed to compete at all?

There are plenty of boys far better than he. There will always be someone bigger/faster/stronger/better. Of course he should be allowed to compete. I’m not even saying (in this made up scenario) that he shouldn’t be allowed to compete against girls. I’m simply saying there would be built in natural advantages.

 

[framer]

Fine. Change "former WNBA player" to "woman with WNBA physique who never played", and answer the question.



They got to play because they didn't have enough college sports history to prevent eligibility. No virtue signaling needed.

The only reason that they had eligibility is because they were not good enough to compete when they were a man. Full stop.