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The "If Hayward Leaves" Planning Thread

stitches said:
I think giving big money to marginal, aging players (Gallinari, Korver, etc) is a bad idea. Trying to patch the roster with the thought of competing for 8th seed is not the best way to approach the off-season in case Hayward leaves. If they(Hayward and Hill) leave, I'd much rather see what Exum can do, especially if it meant us winning fewer games. Yes, I said it - I prefer we tank and try to get one of Porter/Doncic/ Sexton/Bamba than to give out money we will regret giving in a year or two. Gallo/Korver/Thabo are not the answer... they never were and they never will be having in mind they are going to decline even further going forward.

My plan would be:

+try to get young promising players, if impossible - just get our youth back and give them all the playing time they want.
+Get the ball into Dante's hands and give him the keys to the team. Let him experiment and find his limits without being on the short leash he's been last year. At the end of the year we need to know if he's worth keeping around and in what capacity.
+Let Hood spread his wings and shoot it as much as he wants
+try to rehabilitate Alec's career
+give Lyles the time and freedom to create on offense.
+Gobert... be honest with him and tell him what the plan is(1 year tank, hopefully the way the Spurs got Duncan), don't push him too much... limit his minutes a bit(25-28 will be enough). If he gets nicked in January/February... shut him down, no need to risk his health.
+Draft both first rounders and keep them... give them a lot of playing time. Develop them. If it leads to more losses - great, even better.
+If possible trade Favors for future assets, if possible and if he wants it now that we won't be contending let JJ pick his team and trade him to them for future asset of some sort.
+Get top 3 pick and pick our future offensive star(Doncic/Porter?)
+Keep Jingles for locker-room presence and as a future trade asset.

That's about it... I know it's not exciting, but I think going the panic way of quick retool will not give us long-term success.
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Good post. Agreed
LoPo said:
Lol. Of course you would say that. Let me guess, yours is:

- Play Mack 48 mpg.

- everything else will take care of itself.
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Cy is right on this
Saint Cy of JFC said:
And this is how teams like the Charlotte Hornets exist.
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Bingo
 
DownUnder said:
If Hayward leaves i want to see a bare knuckle fist fight between King Cy and LoPo ....
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Wouldn't we want to see that anyway? Or maybe if he stays a really firm cheek-to-cheek hug?
 
Options (not in order of preference):


*(Attempt to) sign Blake

Highly unlikely & risky, but of the available FA's, he is the only player (aside from Hayward) who's talent, age, & fit justify committing the max to. As this would be as close to a parallel move as we could make, I would expect DL to construct the roster similarly as if Hayward returns (with minor adjustments to the 3/4).

*Lowry could be another (unlikely) possibility if Utah is set on this approach (which would obviously significantly change the roster structure)

Hill/Hood/Ingles/Blake/Gobert
Exum, Burks, JJ, Favors, Lyles, 24, 30

This isn't the route I would take as I don't trust Griffin's injury history to allow him to live up to a max contract or Blake & Gobert to win a championship without that 3rd key guy.


*Patchwork

The priority would likely be to retain Hill/Ingles & upgrade at 4. Millsap or Gallinari? Guessing we would need to move Burks & or Favors to make it work financially

Hill/Hood/Ingles/Millsap or Gallinari/Gobert
Exum, JJ, Favors, Lyles, 24, 30

This is the worst case scenario IMO as we would likely be locked into a team that is unlikely to get past the 2nd 3rd.


*Rebuild around Gobert

The philosophy would be to focus on acquiring draft picks/young talent while deciding if Exum/Hood/Lyles are part of the future. My guess is they would target younger FA's with some upside as well (Covington, Ferrell, KCP, Len, McLemore, Mirotic, Olynyk, Porter, etc? I know some are unrealistic. Just throwing out options, tho I'm sure I missed some).

This is the approach I would most likely take. I would likely hang on to Exum & Lyles while using all other assets in an attempt to move up for players such as Markkanen, Smith, Mitchell, Kennard, etc. Acquire as many high-end prospects as possible now in order to allow the team to begin developing chemistry during a season that likely leads to another lottery pick due to an intentional abundance of inexperience & lack of depth.


*Complete rebuild

It's hard to predict what this scenario would look like as it would essentially be determined by the package we receive for Gobert. It would take an absurd offer for me to even consider trading him & there likely aren't many teams with the necessary assets. Obviously BOS is the team that immediately comes to mind. As painful as it is to think about Gobert not being a life-long Jazz, I would be very intrigued by a package of Fultz/Smart/Brown/BKN 2018 1st. Zizic is another player I would target. I don't think BOS would do this & I wouldn't trade Gobert unless someone makes an offer I can't refuse.



Let's hope this turns out to be a big waste of time
 
karl malone said:
Options (not in order of preference):


*(Attempt to) sign Blake

Highly unlikely & risky, but of the available FA's, he is the only player (aside from Hayward) who's talent, age, & fit justify committing the max to. As this would be as close to a parallel move as we could make, I would expect DL to construct the roster similarly as if Hayward returns (with minor adjustments to the 3/4).

*Lowry could be another (unlikely) possibility if Utah is set on this approach (which would obviously significantly change the roster structure)

Hill/Hood/Ingles/Blake/Gobert
Exum, Burks, JJ, Favors, Lyles, 24, 30

This isn't the route I would take as I don't trust Griffin's injury history to allow him to live up to a max contract or Blake & Gobert to win a championship without that 3rd key guy.


*Patchwork

The priority would likely be to retain Hill/Ingles & upgrade at 4. Millsap or Gallinari? Guessing we would need to move Burks & or Favors to make it work financially

Hill/Hood/Ingles/Millsap or Gallinari/Gobert
Exum, JJ, Favors, Lyles, 24, 30

This is the worst case scenario IMO as we would likely be locked into a team that is unlikely to get past the 2nd 3rd.


*Rebuild around Gobert

The philosophy would be to focus on acquiring draft picks/young talent while deciding if Exum/Hood/Lyles are part of the future. My guess is they would target younger FA's with some upside as well (Covington, Ferrell, KCP, Len, McLemore, Mirotic, Olynyk, Porter, etc? I know some are unrealistic. Just throwing out options, tho I'm sure I missed some).

This is the approach I would most likely take. I would likely hang on to Exum & Lyles while using all other assets in an attempt to move up for players such as Markkanen, Smith, Mitchell, Kennard, etc. Acquire as many high-end prospects as possible now in order to allow the team to begin developing chemistry during a season that likely leads to another lottery pick due to an intentional abundance of inexperience & lack of depth.


*Complete rebuild

It's hard to predict what this scenario would look like as it would essentially be determined by the package we receive for Gobert. It would take an absurd offer for me to even consider trading him & there likely aren't many teams with the necessary assets. Obviously BOS is the team that immediately comes to mind. As painful as it is to think about Gobert not being a life-long Jazz, I would be very intrigued by a package of Fultz/Smart/Brown/BKN 2018 1st. Zizic is another player I would target. I don't think BOS would do this & I wouldn't trade Gobert unless someone makes an offer I can't refuse.



Let's hope this turns out to be a big waste of time
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(*2nd rd, not 2nd 3rd
 
karl malone said:
Options (not in order of preference):


*(Attempt to) sign Blake

Highly unlikely & risky, but of the available FA's, he is the only player (aside from Hayward) who's talent, age, & fit justify committing the max to. As this would be as close to a parallel move as we could make, I would expect DL to construct the roster similarly as if Hayward returns (with minor adjustments to the 3/4).

*Lowry could be another (unlikely) possibility if Utah is set on this approach (which would obviously significantly change the roster structure)
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I dont think we can afford either of those guys even if Hayward leaves. I guess we could salary dump Diaw and waive the rights to ingles and Hill and we might be close. I think that would put it at 75 mil or so? Which is not quite enough under the 102 mil salary cap to offer a max but we could offer them 27 million and see. I am not sure any big name player would sign here if Hayward leaves though and especially not at a discount.
 
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Ron Mexico said:
I dont think we can afford either of those guys even if Hayward. I guess we could salary dump Diaw and waive the rights to ingles and Hill and we might be close. I think that would put it at 75 mil or so? Which is not quite enough under the 102 mil salary cap to offer a max but we could offer them 27 million and see. I am not sure any big name player would sign here if Hayward leaves though and especially not at a discount.
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This is exactly why we need to re-sign all three of them.


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Ron Mexico said:
I dont think we can afford either of those guys even if Hayward leaves. I guess we could salary dump Diaw and waive the rights to ingles and Hill and we might be close. I think that would put it at 75 mil or so? Which is not quite enough under the 102 mil salary cap to offer a max but we could offer them 27 million and see. I am not sure any big name player would sign here if Hayward leaves though and especially not at a discount.
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Good catch, thank you for doing the math/research. I believe it's for the best that this isn't a legitimate option as I don't see Blake/Lowry/etc being worth their impending contracts or propelling us to a championship (let alone actually signing here). Not that I think Utah would even consider this type of move/philosophy.
 
mellow said:
Btw...if you missed locke's interview on 1280 with spence checketts tonight you should do yourself a favor and go look it up. Hayward's choices, how Hayward might decide, what the jazz have going for them, jazz plans if Hayward goes, how gms and agents work, and could the jazz get lillard?

https://www.1280thezone.com/locke-g...y-not-trolling-you-no-decision-has-been-made/
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Just listened, and I'm shocked at how much Locke exposes himself when he talks too much. It was funny listening to him getting a chubby talking about Utah trading for Lillard without giving up Rudy.
 
Cappy_Smurf said:
Just listened, and I'm shocked at how much Locke exposes himself when he talks too much. It was funny listening to him getting a chubby talking about Utah trading for Lillard without giving up Rudy.
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seriously mate, you can't tell me you didn't get a chubby at the thought of Lillard, Rudy and Gordon on the same team ???
 
DownUnder said:
seriously mate, you can't tell me you didn't get a chubby at the thought of Lillard, Rudy and Gordon on the same team ???
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Right, and somewhere there is a Blazer fan thinking they might be able to trade a bunch of scraps for Rudy.

Don't know if you've listened to it, but he was asking the question in a way where he thought we could trade a bunch of crappy picks and that would be enough for them to trade Dame for our mid level assets.

Anyway, I'm used to reading unrealistic threads with ideas like that, but Locke is supposed to be a professional.
 
Cappy_Smurf said:
Right, and somewhere there is a Blazer fan thinking they might be able to trade a bunch of scraps for Rudy.

Don't know if you've listened to it, but he was asking the question in a way where he thought we could trade a bunch of crappy picks and that would be enough for them to trade Dame for our mid level assets.

Anyway, I'm used to reading unrealistic threads with ideas like that, but Locke is supposed to be a professional.
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yeah i did, there's not an ounce of realism in that notion, it's purely the thought of it.

Unless he was offering Rudy the Blazers would laugh in his face and then hang up. It was just a titillating thought.


I find Locke pretty good most of the times but there are times where he lets his guard down and gets a little unprofessional. I found his defending Quin for not playing Dante earlier in the year got a little borderline personal and salty
 
Lebron is open to leaving the cavs. Offer him the max, gordo resigns, hill resigns, and we pray we stay healthy.

Actually trade Favors, picks, burks, and whoever for Love

Hill/Exum/Neto
Hayward/Injles/Hood
Lebron/Joe Jesus
Love/Diaw
Gobert/Withey

Now that looks great.
 
Shad said:
Lebron is open to leaving the cavs. Offer him the max, gordo resigns, hill resigns, and we pray we stay healthy.

Actually trade Favors, picks, burks, and whoever for Love

Hill/Exum/Neto
Hayward/Injles/Hood
Lebron/Joe Jesus
Love/Diaw
Gobert/Withey

Now that looks great.
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That's a lineup that can compete and play great defense (minus love but he spreads the floor for gobert)
 
mellow said:
Btw...if you missed locke's interview on 1280 with spence checketts tonight you should do yourself a favor and go look it up. Hayward's choices, how Hayward might decide, what the jazz have going for them, jazz plans if Hayward goes, how gms and agents work, and could the jazz get lillard?

https://www.1280thezone.com/locke-g...y-not-trolling-you-no-decision-has-been-made/
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I'm old enough to remember Spence Checketts telling us all that Jim Boylen was in the catbird seat for the head coach position. I tend to discount him after that.
 
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