The "If Hayward Leaves" Planning Thread

[LoPo]

I personally think it's 50-50 right now to whether he stays or goes. I tend to think he's going to stay. Regardless, I will stick around to root for our Jazz. If Hayward were to leave with zero compensation (so no sign and trade), I would do the following (and remember this would be after the draft and into July):

- Sign Kelly Olynyk to a long term deal. If Boston gets Hayward, then they probably won't match on a long term deal for Olynyk. The guy isn't a star, but I think he's a great fit next to Gobert since he can stretch the floor, pass and decently defend. Even if Lyles develops, Gobert, Lyles and Olynyk have enough minutes to share.

- Sign Yogi Farrell to help with the PG duties. He showed a ton as a rookie late in the year. He plays great defense, plays hard and shot the 3 over 40%. He's one of those guys who will earn a spot. Reminds me of Patty Mills. I think he's a guy that teams will shy away from but we would have no reason not to try to see if he's the real deal. The guy hit 9 threes in one game.

- Sign Jonathon Simmons to a long term deal. He is a SG version of Kawhi Leonard due to his passion, fight, and versatility. At worst, he's a Tony Allen for us for years. Lock him up.

- Trade Favors. I would target a young player or a draft pick. Y'all probably know that I don't think he's a good long term fit next to Gobert. If Hayward leaves, I don't want to be desperate to keep any asset at any cost. Overpaying to keep Favors would be a massive mistake. We should get him healthy, get his value up and trade him before the deadline to a contender missing a big.

- Trade Joe Johnson. I love the guy, but he would not serve us well to keep if we don't have Hayward. His value is high after that playoffs. I could see us trading him to somebody like the Cavs for Channing Frye, a young player and a draft pick.

- Trade Diaw. He has a non-guaranteed contract which makes him very, very valuable. He would be put into any deal with Favors and/or Johnson to sweeten the deal.

- If we can't get a free agent target, we could look to add players from teams who need to shed. Leonard and Harkless from Portland come to mind.

PG Exum, Yogi, Neto
SG Simmons, Burks
SF Hood
PF Olynyk, Lyles, Bolomboy
C Gobert

Don't forget that we would have the #24, #30 and 2nd rounders unless we use them to trade up or get another player. We would build on youth, potential and hustle. We would also bring in players or players with assets from the JJ and Favors deals.

This would be my plan. What about yours?

 

[Chargers Jazz Angels]

You have top be careful of not becoming the Blazers. They have a lot of middling talent but not enough talent to compete. they pretty much set at becoming an average team.

 

[Chargers Jazz Angels]

I just cant think of the Jazz with out hayward yet

 

[stitches]

I think giving big money to marginal, aging players (Gallinari, Korver, etc) is a bad idea. Trying to patch the roster with the thought of competing for 8th seed is not the best way to approach the off-season in case Hayward leaves. If they(Hayward and Hill) leave, I'd much rather see what Exum can do, especially if it meant us winning fewer games. Yes, I said it - I prefer we tank and try to get one of Porter/Doncic/ Sexton/Bamba than to give out money we will regret giving in a year or two. Gallo/Korver/Thabo are not the answer... they never were and they never will be having in mind they are going to decline even further going forward.

My plan would be:

+try to get young promising players, if impossible - just get our youth back and give them all the playing time they want.
+Get the ball into Dante's hands and give him the keys to the team. Let him experiment and find his limits without being on the short leash he's been last year. At the end of the year we need to know if he's worth keeping around and in what capacity.
+Let Hood spread his wings and shoot it as much as he wants
+try to rehabilitate Alec's career
+give Lyles the time and freedom to create on offense.
+Gobert... be honest with him and tell him what the plan is(1 year tank, hopefully the way the Spurs got Duncan), don't push him too much... limit his minutes a bit(25-28 will be enough). If he gets nicked in January/February... shut him down, no need to risk his health.
+Draft both first rounders and keep them... give them a lot of playing time. Develop them. If it leads to more losses - great, even better.
+If possible trade Favors for future assets, if possible and if he wants it now that we won't be contending let JJ pick his team and trade him to them for future asset of some sort.
+Get top 3 pick and pick our future offensive star(Doncic/Porter?)
+Keep Jingles for locker-room presence and as a future trade asset.

That's about it... I know it's not exciting, but I think going the panic way of quick retool will not give us long-term success.

 

[LoPo]

You have top be careful of not becoming the Blazers. They have a lot of middling talent but not enough talent to compete. they pretty much set at becoming an average team.

Good points. I see what you're worried about.

I personally think Olynyk is an upgrade over Favors due to injury history and play style. We are more dynamic with a PF who can shoot and do what Olynyk can do. And I personally think Simmons is a borderline All Star or at least a good NBA starter if given the chance. The guy is extremely explosive.

Of course our potential as contenders depends on Exum, Hood, Lyles, what we do with 2017 picks and what we do with the other assets from trades, upcoming picks, etc. All the guys I mentioned getting are versatile yet shouldn't cost us a fortune. Olynyk could easily be a 3rd big if we find a better PF.

 

[Deleted member 5000]

Pretty thoughtful but I wouldn't trade Joe Johnson heck man how could you do that to him; and Yogi is signed with Dallas we'd have to overpay for him - If you want a 6 foot PG who can shoot even better there is one in the draft available in the mid to late 2nd round according to everyone (but me).

Hood at the small forward? Yeah not liking that, he's too small. You got the Gobert part right though.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Good lord, Olynyk isn't a 4 at all, and especially not a starting 4. The dude is a center.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Pretty thoughtful but I wouldn't trade Joe Johnson heck man how could you do that to him; and Yogi is signed with Dallas we'd have to overpay for him - If you want a 6 foot PG who can shoot even better there is one in the draft available in the mid to late 2nd round according to everyone (but me).

Hood at the small forward? Yeah not liking that, he's too small. You got the Gobert part right though.

Joe Johnson wouldn't want to be on this team if we lost Hayward.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

This might be the worst post-Hayward plan possible.

 

[LoPo]

This might be the worst post-Hayward plan possible.

Lol. Of course you would say that. Let me guess, yours is:

- Play Mack 48 mpg.

- everything else will take care of itself.

 

[Chargers Jazz Angels]

I think giving big money to marginal, aging players (Gallinari, Korver, etc) is a bad idea. Trying to patch the roster with the thought of competing for 8th seed is not the best way to approach the off-season in case Hayward leaves. If they(Hayward and Hill) leave, I'd much rather see what Exum can do, especially if it meant us winning fewer games. Yes, I said it - I prefer we tank and try to get one of Porter/Doncic/ Sexton/Bamba than to give out money we will regret giving in a year or two. Gallo/Korver/Thabo are not the answer... they never were and they never will be having in mind they are going to decline even further going forward.

My plan would be:

+try to get young promising players, if impossible - just get our youth back and give them all the playing time they want.
+Get the ball into Dante's hands and give him the keys to the team. Let him experiment and find his limits without being on the short leash he's been last year. At the end of the year we need to know if he's worth keeping around and in what capacity.
+Let Hood spread his wings and shoot it as much as he wants
+try to rehabilitate Alec's career
+give Lyles the time and freedom to create on offense.
+Gobert... be honest with him and tell him what the plan is(1 year tank, hopefully the way the Spurs got Duncan), don't push him too much... limit his minutes a bit(25-28 will be enough). If he gets nicked in January/February... shut him down, no need to risk his health.
+Draft both first rounders and keep them... give them a lot of playing time. Develop them. If it leads to more losses - great, even better.
+If possible trade Favors for future assets, if possible and if he wants it now that we won't be contending let JJ pick his team and trade him to them for future asset of some sort.
+Get top 3 pick and pick our future offensive star(Doncic/Porter?)
+Keep Jingles for locker-room presence and as a future trade asset.

That's about it... I know it's not exciting, but I think going the panic way of quick retool will not give us long-term success.

This is closer to my thinking.

Over pay for under performing young players on 1 year contracts.

Such as

James young (21)
Christian wood (21)
Tyler Ennis (22)
Nerlens Noel? (23)
Joffrey lauvgerne (25)
Nikola mirotic (26)
Ray McCallum (26)
Peirre Jackson (26)
Vander blue (25)
Eric Moreland (25)


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[Chargers Jazz Angels]

Lol. Of course you would say that. Let me guess, yours is:

- Play Mack 48 mpg.

- everything else will take care of itself.

That would lead to the #1 pick

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[Saint Cy of JFC]

Lol. Of course you would say that. Let me guess, yours is:

- Play Mack 48 mpg.

- everything else will take care of itself.

That would be a far better plan as it would actually make us a worse team, thus getting a better pick. Your plan says let's get the 13th pick ever year until Gobert leaves.

 

[LoPo]

I agree with stitches and CD, but I never want to officially tank. I want to spend enough to get to the salary floor, build the depth necessary to support Gobert enough to keep him happy, but also plan on a big draft in 2018. Olynyk is a very good 3rd big with range, Simmons is a defensive stopper freak. Yogi is a gamble that we can take or pass on. He's not going to decide our future more than likely. So these guys fit in regardless because you need depth to win and we aren't convincing a star to come here via free agency.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I agree with stitches and CD, but I never want to officially tank. I want to spend enough to get to the salary floor, build the depth necessary to support Gobert enough to keep him happy, but also plan on a big draft in 2018. Olynyk is a very good 3rd big with range, Simmons is a defensive stopper freak. Yogi is a gamble that we can take or pass on. He's not going to decide our future more than likely. So these guys fit in regardless because you need depth to win and we aren't convincing a star to come here via free agency.

And this is how teams like the Charlotte Hornets exist.

 

[LoPo]

That would be a far better plan as it would actually make us a worse team, thus getting a better pick. Your plan says let's get the 13th pick ever year until Gobert leaves.

We aren't and shouldn't tank. We have more class and honor than that. We would use the extra cap space from JIngles and Hayward to get a younger asset or two to support the Exum/Hood/Lyles/Gobert project.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

We aren't and shouldn't tank. We have more class and honor than that. We would use the extra cap space from JIngles and Hayward to get a younger asset or two to support the Exum/Hood/Lyles/Gobert project.

Class and honor? Lmao

Class and honor gets you a bad team.

Tanking gets you (a chance at) Anthony Davis, Lebron James, Kevin Durant, etc.

The Spurs tanked for Tim Duncan. Teams with honor and class can tank too.

 

[LoPo]

And this is how teams like the Charlotte Hornets exist.

Well, we didn't win a playoff game for what, 5 years, building around Favors. At least Charlotte had a better playoff history than just one year like we just had. Losing Hayward will hurt and the front office will have to be aggressive. Just re-signing JIngles and Favors would be stupid. And we wouldn't be able to sign a premiere free agent. So we do the next best thing which is trade away old assets and get a couple young guys who might develop well as they hit their prime.

 

[LoPo]

Class and honor? Lmao

Class and honor gets you a bad team.

Tanking gets you (a chance at) Anthony Davis, Lebron James, Kevin Durant, etc.

The Spurs tanked for Tim Duncan. Teams with honor and class can tank too.

The Spurs tanked only after Robinson went down. Still despicable.

I don't think we should tank. I also don't think adding Olynyk and Simmons puts us in the finals. Gobert is a special player with a massive competitive nature. Tanking would piss him off. No reason to piss off our only remaining all star calibur player should this scenario play out.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Well, we didn't win a playoff game for what, 5 years, building around Favors. At least Charlotte had a better playoff history than just one year like we just had. Losing Hayward will hurt and the front office will have to be aggressive. Just re-signing JIngles and Favors would be stupid. And we wouldn't be able to sign a premiere free agent. So we do the next best thing which is trade away old assets and get a couple young guys who might develop well as they hit their prime.

Man, you would be a terrible GM.