How is me disliking the behavior of both partisan hackery?
Quick tell me what everything means. tia.
The Inevitability of Impeachment
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How is me disliking the behavior of both partisan hackery?
Quick tell me what everything means. tia.
NAOS
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You're constantly seeking to make moral equivalents between Left and Right. Of all the posters on JFC, you're most committed to some dialectical view of history. You have crafted a few phrases to make it seem fresh and with-it, but it's tired as ****.
As tired as your petty targeting of posters at random.
You're don't like my posts? Cool. Don't respond, problem solved. But you r spend to me in ******* fashion and I'll mock and dismiss you as such.
Let me know when you're off your current whatever this is. Bye.
NAOS
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muah
JimLes
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Really? Was there another president in the past 50 years who was elected without previously serving either in congress or as a state governor? Was there another president elected in the past 50 years who threatened and verbally abused his "enemies" daily? Was there another president in the past 50 years who kept threatening to curtail freedom of the press? Was there another president elected in the past 50 years who took every criticism from any source personally and felt obliged to respond to it? What exactly is "my personal opinion" here? And honestly, was there another president you can truly say gave off this strong of a "I-don't-know-what-the-****-I'm-doing" vibe?
Context is everything.
NAOS
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Never doubt the ability of partisan hacks to create moral equivalents and wash everything into a mass of indifferentiates.
♪alt13
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It was inevitable.
Presidency should be dissolved. The responsibilities and powers of the office should be divided amongst existing and new institutions. We have allowed too much power to be concentrated in the hands of one person. Frankly it's just too dangerous.
NAOS
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hard to argue against that. To me, it's clear that we're experiencing the death throes of an Empire. You speak of a sensible new order. I'm wondering how much disorder lies between us and something like what you've sketched.
In more reaction against el presidente T.Rump, Seth Curry and St Pauli have criticised the Under Armour CEO for supporting T.Rump.
https://www.goal.com/en/news/725/bu...out-at-their-own-kit-manufacturer-after-trump
St Pauli also criticised their own fans after they unveiled a banner on Sunday mocking the fire bombing of Dresden at a home match against Dynamo Dresden. Dynamo have a large number of Neo Nazi fans, I was at St Pauli's away game in Dresden late last year and there were numbers of organised skinhead Dresden supporters getting into it with St Pauli Ultras.
https://www.goal.com/en/news/725/bu...out-at-their-own-kit-manufacturer-after-trump
St Pauli also criticised their own fans after they unveiled a banner on Sunday mocking the fire bombing of Dresden at a home match against Dynamo Dresden. Dynamo have a large number of Neo Nazi fans, I was at St Pauli's away game in Dresden late last year and there were numbers of organised skinhead Dresden supporters getting into it with St Pauli Ultras.
♪alt13
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A s*** ton
How many people are thinking about architectural reforms to our system?
Almost none.
Even if they were are we in the right kind of place to pursue such reforms and expect a good outcome?
Probably not.
NAOS
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♪alt13
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it all starts with the California seceding, right??
Honestly I wouldn't be against an amicable divorce but California isn't a well-defined thing. The borders of the area that it claims are silly. Extended those borders to the Continental Divide and you have something that would be stable and prosperous.California is at its most ambitious the most important and prominent area of a larger western region.
For that to happen would take a national realization that our country has become too big for democracy. There's too much national pride for that to happen.
I dont disagree that the Presidents power has been growing and that is a problem. I think the solution is to cut back greatly on that power and re-establish balance. Eliminating one branch would give more power to the other branches which I also think would be problematic. I also think having a face and a person as president is helpful in a lot of situations and right or wrong is easier to hold accountable.
I also doubt we are going to re-write the constitution enough to eliminate the Executive Branch and the President but cutting back on his power we can do. I also think we should cut back all of the governments power though. Fear mongering from our leaders has let this country give all branches and levels of government too much power.
♪alt13
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I don't think cutting back on the powers is enough. The presidency is an office that by its nature will usurp powers. Every single president I can think of has done it. The president has no equal. We are lucky to this point that the other branches of government have been able to restrain the presidency to the degree they have.
♪alt13
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Here's a thought.
We could create two new offices within the executive branch that were equal to the president. We could designate unique powers to each of the offices. Let's say we give one the power of the pen and the rights to sign or veto legislation. Another could serve as Commander in Chief and have power over the state department. The Third could be the head of domestic agencies such as the FBI, doj, Forest Service Etc. They can serve six-year terms so that one of the three offices is up for election every two years.
It isn't perfect but something like that I think would be a step in the right direction.
We could create two new offices within the executive branch that were equal to the president. We could designate unique powers to each of the offices. Let's say we give one the power of the pen and the rights to sign or veto legislation. Another could serve as Commander in Chief and have power over the state department. The Third could be the head of domestic agencies such as the FBI, doj, Forest Service Etc. They can serve six-year terms so that one of the three offices is up for election every two years.
It isn't perfect but something like that I think would be a step in the right direction.
I think the power of the President has generally been okay during the lifespan of the USA except in times of war and more recently presidents have abused that concept. But I am not opposed to the idea you proposed but I would be very surprised if that ever gained enough traction to even get voted on. Major changes like that seem unlikely to me any time soon, but who knows.
green
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I love the whole "California would collapse if they broke off" argument. Doesn't California have the sixth largest GDP in the world?
Do we not forget that California pays a larger % of the federal taxes than most states? Then probably most states COMBINED?
What would happen to states like Utah, who receives the highest amount of federal aid per person, if California left? California leaving the US would be devastating to our economy.
https://www.businessinsider.com/what-would-happen-if-calexit-happens-2016-11
California leaving would have their problems as well (like fresh water), but it would devastate this country as well.
Republicans, especially Utahns, need to get off their high horses when it comes to this. A lot of what we have is due to California.
But, that's the Republican way, right? Take aid, keep it quiet, then shout on the rooftops about how hard you worked and how you earned it all yourself and if everyone worked as hard as you, they could have what you have.
Right?
RIGHT?
Do we not forget that California pays a larger % of the federal taxes than most states? Then probably most states COMBINED?
What would happen to states like Utah, who receives the highest amount of federal aid per person, if California left? California leaving the US would be devastating to our economy.
https://www.businessinsider.com/what-would-happen-if-calexit-happens-2016-11
California leaving would have their problems as well (like fresh water), but it would devastate this country as well.
Republicans, especially Utahns, need to get off their high horses when it comes to this. A lot of what we have is due to California.
But, that's the Republican way, right? Take aid, keep it quiet, then shout on the rooftops about how hard you worked and how you earned it all yourself and if everyone worked as hard as you, they could have what you have.
Right?
RIGHT?
♪alt13
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I don't think we'll do anything. I think sooner or later it ends in tragedy. Beyond what we've already experienced.
♪alt13
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Who said California leaving wouldn't devastate Utah? Utah isn't a very well-defined thing either by the way. I'm of the opinion that the jurisdictional borders like that and should follow the borders of water basins. You can shrink or expand Utah but a broken rectangle just shows that nobody put much thought into it.
green
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It's kind of sad how the shape of Utah was made. They basically cut out any decent resources and gave them to neighboring states. Lol.