Gyp Rosetti
Banned
Yes, now you're on the right track. Roll with that baby. Just envision what OKC has done.
We can do the same. It's a mindset.
The Jazz are trading D-Will to New Jersey!?
- Thread starter YB85
- Start date
Yes, now you're on the right track. Roll with that baby. Just envision what OKC has done.
We can do the same. It's a mindset.
OKC would've flipped Harris and traded Jefferson, but yes.
Gyp Rosetti
Banned
Not that quickly. We have the summer. Book it.
Ehh... but we don't. One of the big reasons Deron was traded is because there's no certainty when the next CBA will be hammered out, thus losing potentially Deron's last year under contract for either negotiation of an extension, or ability to shop him before he opts out.
Like I said, if they're operating under that premise for one thing (Deron), they should for other things. This tells me that management either
1) didn't break down Jefferson's and Harris' being here that way
2) they think this will make the team competitive ENOUGH to fill some seats
3) or they think Jefferson and Harris are a part of the long-term picture.
I sure hope it's not 1 or 3, and it seems like 2 is the most feasible. But point 2 is not really conducive to building a championship team, unless there's a serious concern the team will have to fold otherwise.
Yes, let's hurry and flip that 18.0 PER point guard we just acquired, since:
- those are a dime-a-dozen
- we have no need at that position (Watson and Price)
- he is under contract for an affordable salary for 2.5 more seasons
8-digits isn't cheap, especially for a team that can conceivably be under the cap in his last guaranteed year. We have a need at the position now, but who cares about now and why? If the team is rebuilding (how anyone can think otherwise, I don't know), you can make a strong case that losing right now is in the interest of the team's long-term competitiveness.
unluckyseventeen
Well-Known Member
I wouldn't call our team "rebuilding". That's a cancerous word meaning they're going to be terrible for the next few seasons. While I don't think they're going to be anything respectful, I still see them as a fringe playoff team with a highly-touted draft pick (Favors), plenty of assets and still a reasonably decent lineup.
Rebuilding is a team like Cleveland, Detroit, New Jersey (haha.. sorry Deron), Minnesota, etc. The Jazz aren't that bad.
I think the team is in a huge state of transition and they need to play with the players they've got and make changes accordingly. It's a state this team hasn't really ever been in, with a bunch of new faces, particularly on the bench. We have no idea what's going to come of it. But we have assets and we have decent players. Rebuilding teams have either one or the other of the aforementioned.
please enlighten us how losing is going to improve that New Jersey first round pick.
It won't, but the Jazz still have their own since there are protections on the one they owe to Minnesota.
The Thriller
Well-Known Member
You're forgetting Favors.
Everyone seems to think that we traded Deron for Harris.
Perhaps the thing that called the most attention was Favors.
If Favors just somewhat develops then he makes Jefferson or Millsap expendable.
Favors is the key to this trade. We know what Harris can do. We have no clue about the picks... But Favors? The #3 draft pick? Best big man along with Cousins in last years draft? Potential franchise big man right there. And they don't grow on trees like the franchise PGs do.
ah yes, so they can improve their chance at moving up from 3% to 7%. bravo. i say let's put you in charge. who's with me?!
I'm not forgetting Favors at all. You're missing my point. My point is that Harris and Jefferson are going to be old by the time this re..."tooling" starts to pay dividends and taking up a bunch of money in the process. That money could be used for anything (even free agents?), and them staying likely comes at the opportunity cost of picks or other young players.
Favors is a very, very nice piece. I wouldn't trade him and I very much hopes he pans out.
That's one reason to not have him. Additional picks and saving $10-$20 million are also reasons.
Have you not watch this team lately. The Jazz are 4-17 and 0-4 since Sloan has left. They traded their best player for two players who helped their team go 17-40. Unless the Jazz hit it big in the lottery and Favors turns out to the stud everyone things he can become then we could easily become part of the bottom-feeders in the NBA.
The Thriller
Well-Known Member
You might have a point about age.
But Harris is merely 1 year older than Deron. What is he, 28? I'm not so sure here in that 30-31 is that old. I know we shouldn't expect him to play like he's stockton until age 41. But I'm not so sure that these guys won't be in their primes here in a few years anyway. I'm not expecting much of a dropoff from our current core guys in the next few years.
Well the Jazz don't get to keep the pick if they make the playoffs so perhaps having two picks this year will help the team improve faster versus only having one first round pick. I know lower lottery picks are never that great but perhaps the Jazz find a solid bench player. Last time I looked our bench was pathetic.
Stifle Tower
Punch Bowl Re-Filler
I thought Jimmer played for BYU;-)
The Thriller
Well-Known Member
I know of someone who should be available in the mid first round, who could play PG, can shoot the hell out of the ball, a fine player to come off the bench, and a fan favorite.... He also shouldn't have a problem with the race and the main religion here...
Stifle Tower
Punch Bowl Re-Filler
I think it is top-17 protected. There will be 3-4 teams in the East with worse records than the #8 seed in the West. So basically that means if the Jazz makes the playoffs, the pick is gone.
And thriller, don't kid yourself, this draft is fairly weak. Jimmer will be a lottery pick a la Hayward. I doubt he slips below #10.