breezy
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but WHO ELSE?!! (if we want to win NOW)
the Jazz need to go after.....
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but WHO ELSE?!! (if we want to win NOW)
Twin Towers
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What is your definition of win now? because trading for Jamison isn't going to make us contenders. we will be 4-7 in the playoff race with our without Jamison. It doesn't matter much. It doesn't make or break the team. I don't understand your logic?
We need a Defensive Center and we also need a 2nd option to run the offense. Take pressure off of Deron. And those 2 things are hard to come by.
breezy
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yes and i think antawn is the best scoring threat we can get right now. he is not ideal i know but he wouldnt be bad backing up millsap. we could get gortat in a S&T maybe? we will at lease be better with jamison than just sit back and have another season pass by. if we are just gonna be 4-7, why dont we just realize it now and go on rebuilding mode, which we will lose deron in the process...not good.
Twin Towers
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No way we can get Gortat. And I have no idea who you are thinking we can Sign and trade for gortat? We don't have anything they want. Would have to be a 3 team trade. Not likely
Whether we have Jamison or not the season would pass by the same. 1st or 2nd round than out of the playoffs. Than we are stuck with the same team as the year before. Without Jamison we have flexibility the next year to improve.
We are better off staying Mediocre rather than rebuilding. The only reason you rebuild is if you have over paid players and know you can't go anywhere. You don't rebuild when your a playoff team and have Deron Williams.
InGameStrategy
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DW-CJ-AK-Millsap-Fesenko is a very good lineup. Not much worse than last year. Possibly better. Good defense. Good outside shooting. Rebounding on both ends of the court.
BTW, it's not clear to me that Antawn Jamison is even available, although I wish that he were--and wanted to come to Utah as a high-minutes backup.
https://hoopshype.com/salaries/cleveland.htm
https://www.82games.com/0910/0910CLE.HTM
Harrington might take all of the MLE, but he'd be an OK addition, too--at least offensively.
The cost would be to lose Matthews--and maybe Brewer, too. I see Utah taking both of them instead if they can get an agreement.
Archie Moses
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A lot of necessary "moron" name calling going on here. I like it.
anonymous832
Member
Alright, since you're going to make fun of people's grammar - it's could HAVE, not could OF. COULD HAVE.
Moron.
Someone is drinking the kool- aid. The Jazz are not a better team.
InGameStrategy
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There's not much Kool-aid to go around, but the avoidance of temptation to play a bad-defending Boozer AND a bad-defending Okur gives a Jazz lineup that plays on both ends on the floor a chance to show what they've got.
Just like Millsap did two years ago for a stretch. PM plays pretty well with Okur, too, and it's possible that Hayward is almost as good as KK quickly with a little more defense and ability to drive, although he won't be as good a shooter for a few years.
Hopefully Fes and maybe Koufos will show why a legit 7-footer with rebounding and/or defense is more valuable than a trey-shooting C. However, Okur will likely be important in the big man rotation once he returns.
I maintain that Utah will be within five games--better or worse--of what they would have been with Boozer. Given that other teams have gotten better around Utah, though it is possible that Utah would be a 45-win to 48-win team with C-Booz. What I'd like to see is the Jazz breaking 50 wins, which would definitively confirm that Boozer wasn't worth his salt. I acknowledge that it's equally possible that they could end up below .500; a sub-40-win season would be a disappointment for Jazz fans, because this team will be more fun to watch than Boozer, but winning is the most fun of all. Looking forward, though, to the Chicago-Utah matchup, because I think that DW can handle Derrick, Millsap can handle Boozer, AK can handle Deng, and Fes can handle Noah.
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Doc Cherno
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I don't think that Gortat is out of the question, but I do agree with previous poster that a sign and trade seems the most likely. Orlando will want to improve at several positions and they'll need flexibility to do so. I'd also be interested in Big Al (not Harrington, though I'd be intrigued by a summer that saw us lose Boozer and double up on Als), Scola, and securing Matthews. I'll be interested to see if the Jazz role the dice on Evans this year. I gotta say, I'm loving the drama this off-season.
gothapotamus
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I would say go after biedriens or chandler with the trade exception. Or use the Harpring TPE to go and see about Gortat. Jamison is a decent player, but doesn't address the "win now" sentiment of the OP. It would be a step backward if you ask me.
Any lineup that relies on Fesenko is going to suck. +/- be damned.
Chad Feldheimer
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You know that Biedrens shot 16% at the FT last year and was pretty much worthless to GS last year? Why would you want to pay him 10M a year?
Chandler has missed 25+ games the last 2 years and only averaged 6pt 6reb a game for 11.7M.
Chandler has missed 25+ games the last 2 years and only averaged 6pt 6reb a game for 11.7M.
gothapotamus
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Biedrins was injured much of last year it's true. To judge a man based on a year riddled with injuries is ridiculous. Chandler has had some injury issues, but with him it's a one year rental basically. So you try someone who has proven he can be a big man in this league (look at his 06-07, and 07-08 seasons). He can block shots and isn't a big stiff.
There are a few centers that intrigue me, but I think who the Jazz bring in depends on how they want to approach this season.
1) Win Now: Gortat is probably the only 5 (at a reasonable salary) that could be had and come in and make a significant difference. However, he is unproven and his contract could be burdensome under the new CBA if he doesn't play well.
2) Play the young guys: Similar to the '03-'04 season, we see what kind of players the Jazz really have, especially with regards to Fes and Koufos and to a certain extent CJ, Hayward and Evans. Fes and Koufos would get lots of minutes until Okur came back. As insurance, the Jazz could bring in someone like Jeff Foster ) don't remember if he is healthy or not though) or maybe Nesterovic. My only hope is that Sloan would only play these vets when he had to and allow Fes and Koufos to start and or get significant minutes.
So while I kind of like the idea of Gortat, I think I would rather see the Jazz play the young guys and have lots of cap space and (hopefully) improved young talent going into the next CBA, even if it does mean not making the playoffs.
1) Win Now: Gortat is probably the only 5 (at a reasonable salary) that could be had and come in and make a significant difference. However, he is unproven and his contract could be burdensome under the new CBA if he doesn't play well.
2) Play the young guys: Similar to the '03-'04 season, we see what kind of players the Jazz really have, especially with regards to Fes and Koufos and to a certain extent CJ, Hayward and Evans. Fes and Koufos would get lots of minutes until Okur came back. As insurance, the Jazz could bring in someone like Jeff Foster ) don't remember if he is healthy or not though) or maybe Nesterovic. My only hope is that Sloan would only play these vets when he had to and allow Fes and Koufos to start and or get significant minutes.
So while I kind of like the idea of Gortat, I think I would rather see the Jazz play the young guys and have lots of cap space and (hopefully) improved young talent going into the next CBA, even if it does mean not making the playoffs.
Gyp Rosetti
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Not signing anyone worth much and letting AK walk next summer and going after a legit big then. For me, Kendrick Perkins, if he regains his health, would be number one. He wouldn't cost too much and we could use his toughness and defensive prowess at the 5. If he re-signed with Boston, there are other bigs there too. Marc Gasol and Al Horford, both of whom play two ways much better than Booze or Okur do, to name a few, though AH is really more of a 4.
we do have an opening now: "in street clothes sitting behind the bench" (now that Boozer is gone).
in the Simmons podcast, Chad Ford claimed that the Jazz did pull out all the stops trying to trade up to get Cousins.
chemdude1232
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From a Hollinger chat on ESPN:
John, what does Utah do with the Boozer TPE? Anyone in particular on their radar?
John Hollinger:
Damon I don't think they'll use it til next year's draft. They still have a 6M TPE from the Harpring trade last year, and they have their full midlevel exception. Only way Boozer exception comes in is if they identify a $10M player they want that another team wants to dump -- again, Okafor comes to mind -- but the issue for Jazz is that such a move would put them precariously close to tax. That's why I think it's better kept til draft day next year, can use to take on salary from teams trying to generate 2011 cap space.
John, what does Utah do with the Boozer TPE? Anyone in particular on their radar?
John Hollinger:
Damon I don't think they'll use it til next year's draft. They still have a 6M TPE from the Harpring trade last year, and they have their full midlevel exception. Only way Boozer exception comes in is if they identify a $10M player they want that another team wants to dump -- again, Okafor comes to mind -- but the issue for Jazz is that such a move would put them precariously close to tax. That's why I think it's better kept til draft day next year, can use to take on salary from teams trying to generate 2011 cap space.