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the jazz will not win 30 games

The question isn't how many games we will win but rather how we compare relative to other teams. I see a lot of teams getting better from the bottom (better than us) but don't see too many moving down.
 
TheSilencer1313 said:
These comparisons are made completely on last years play, which is comparing bench/role players with starters of last year.

Kanter/Favors/Hayward/Burks were on PER or even better than those teams players last year.
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But we have no bench to back them up....

I have I high hopes for our young guys and I think they'll have great stats this year, but without a bench it will be hard to win a lot of games!!
 
infection said:
The question isn't how many games we will win but rather how we compare relative to other teams. I see a lot of teams getting better from the bottom (better than us) but don't see too many moving down.
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This is also why I think we will loose more games, almost every team in the west got better!!! Only the suns and kings didn't move the needle to much!!
 
Zulu said:
This is also why I think we will loose more games, almost every team in the west got better!!! Only the suns and kings didn't move the needle to much!!
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Truth.

Could argue Lakers got worse, but you could also argue that without the Dwight distraction maybe they got better.

Mavs are another team. How bad will their defense be with a Calderon/Ellis back-court? If Dirk is completely healthy they are probably better though, but if he isn't I would say they are worse than last year.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Truth.

Could argue Lakers got worse, but you could also argue that without the Dwight distraction maybe they got better.

Mavs are another team. How bad will their defense be with a Calderon/Ellis back-court? If Dirk is completely healthy they are probably better though, but if he isn't I would say they are worse than last year.
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They almost made the playoffs with dirk missing 1/3 of the season... They'll be roughly the same this year!!
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Truth.

Could argue Lakers got worse, but you could also argue that without the Dwight distraction maybe they got better.

Mavs are another team. How bad will their defense be with a Calderon/Ellis back-court? If Dirk is completely healthy they are probably better though, but if he isn't I would say they are worse than last year.
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I think the Lakers will be much better this year and for a few reasons:

1. Both Nash and Kobe are great players, but pairing them together was a silly idea simply because both players are successful for the same, mutually exclusive reason (they succeed by having the ball run through them). This will give D'Antoni an opportunity to run through Nash and encorporate guys like Gasol. Kobe can transition back in as a more complementary piece.
2. People really underestimate how big of a cancer Dwight Howard really is. There have been guys come into the league that are phenomenal talents but, despite how talented they are an the great numbers they put up, lack enough winning mentality that they are honestly a sieve to you entire team in ways that aren't quite measurable outside the W/L column. But, as it's not very measurable, nobody will attribute the W/L% to the player because we're so busy being blown away by the physical specimen and the elite numbers.
3. We need the Lakers to make the playoffs at all costs, so much so that I may make a Lakers rally thread. If they make the playoffs then that likely pushes GSW out in higher likelihood (I hope). But more importantly, with Kobe's career coming to a close and the Lakers in steep decline, in this particular draft, it's hard for me to have much faith in the impartiality of how ping pong balls drop and would this wish they bypassed the lottery all together.
 
infection said:
3. We need the Lakers to make the playoffs at all costs, so much so that I may make a Lakers rally thread. If they make the playoffs then that likely pushes GSW out in higher likelihood (I hope). But more importantly, with Kobe's career coming to a close and the Lakers in steep decline, in this particular draft, it's hard for me to have much faith in the impartiality of how ping pong balls drop and would this wish they bypassed the lottery all together.
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Yup. If the lakers finish with a bottom 9 record, theyre getting Wuggins.

dat jazzfanz.com mobile app doe
 
Pau Gasol is the key to the Laker's season for me. If he comes out and plays like the Championship-year Gasol, then the Lakers could push the Warriors out of the playoffs.

If he doesn't, then I can see the Lakers missing the playoffs.

I hope he balls next year for the sake of the Warrior's pick and for my fantasy team.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Pau Gasol is the key to the Laker's season for me. If he comes out and plays like the Championship-year Gasol, then the Lakers could push the Warriors out of the playoffs.

If he doesn't, then I can see the Lakers missing the playoffs.

I hope he balls next year for the sake of the Warrior's pick and for my fantasy team.
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Pau for MVP!!!
 
We have the worst bench that the game has ever seen on any level. My 12 year old son's Jr. Jazz team had a better bench, including the kid with the lazy eye and club foot.

So our positioning for the lottery is looking favorable.
 
infection said:
I think the Lakers will be much better this year and for a few reasons:

1. Both Nash and Kobe are great players, but pairing them together was a silly idea simply because both players are successful for the same, mutually exclusive reason (they succeed by having the ball run through them). This will give D'Antoni an opportunity to run through Nash and encorporate guys like Gasol. Kobe can transition back in as a more complementary piece.
2. People really underestimate how big of a cancer Dwight Howard really is. There have been guys come into the league that are phenomenal talents but, despite how talented they are an the great numbers they put up, lack enough winning mentality that they are honestly a sieve to you entire team in ways that aren't quite measurable outside the W/L column. But, as it's not very measurable, nobody will attribute the W/L% to the player because we're so busy being blown away by the physical specimen and the elite numbers.
3. We need the Lakers to make the playoffs at all costs, so much so that I may make a Lakers rally thread. If they make the playoffs then that likely pushes GSW out in higher likelihood (I hope). But more importantly, with Kobe's career coming to a close and the Lakers in steep decline, in this particular draft, it's hard for me to have much faith in the impartiality of how ping pong balls drop and would this wish they bypassed the lottery all together.
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Everyone seems to be expecting Kobe to come back like he was before, but this was his Achilles -- look what happened to Memo with a similar injury: it was basically career-ending. I expect Kobe will come back but won't be the same player. Remember, he's turning 35 this year. It's not going to be as easy to heal either.

So far as the Jazz winning 30 games. Well, if they do, then we probably will have to say that Corbin did a decent job. But if he's the Corbin we've come to know, I think we'll be very lucky to win 30 -- more like 24-58.
 
There is no such thing as "locker room cancer" or "winning mentality". These are meaningless totems. Dwight Howard is a once-in-a-generation talent and the Lakers will miss him dearly. They will finish at the bottom of the conference.
 
I would bet against the Jazz winning 30 games. It is more likely they will win somewhere between 25 and 35, meaning that hitting 30 dead on will have a pretty low probability. Of course, if that is the given range, I guess that means they have about a 10% chance of winning 30 games.
 
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If the 5 best players on the team play at least 30 minutes a game we should win 36 games. Then you take into consideration the "Corbin factor" (i.e., where the player with a dominating performance is benched for the last quarter or half of a game, or where the player that is on a hot streak and strings together several great games in a row is suddenly benched for the next month, etc.) which is worth -10 wins.

Predicition 26-56. 4th or 5th worst record in the league.
 
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bigmanUTE said:
anyone who thinks otherwise is completely off their rocker. this is undoubtedly one of the 3 worst benches in the nba. combine that with a starting 5 that has talent but raw at that, and rookie point guard, and a team that has practically never played together; this team will lose A LOT. the team will gel over time and with a top-3 pick, by next year they will once again be a playoff team as we have a lot of money again next offseason to create a great bench for the starting cast.

2013-2014 jazz= worst 4-5 teams in nba
2014-2015 jazz= top 12 teams in nba

it will be amazing to see such a huge jump in a team from one year to another. but thats what a good core 5+ wiggins will get you.
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I'm off my rocker, and I'm crip walking.

Teh Jazz win 50.

The Golden Shower lose 50. (Diabolical injuries to Curry Powder and Andy Biggut)

Darft Wiggins, Hit em with the Biggins.

Boom, Bitches... we Bitchin!
 
dogtoucher said:
There is no such thing as "locker room cancer" or "winning mentality". These are meaningless totems. Dwight Howard is a once-in-a-generation talent and the Lakers will miss him dearly. They will finish at the bottom of the conference.
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Um. In a team sport those things are absolutely not meaningless. And saying so shows me you've never played a team sport at any level.
 
I do not think anybody mentioned the unavoidable injuries. Every team goes through them and we are paper-thin at many positions. Just think how atrocious our wings will be if Hayward is out for a while. The same goes for Burke, Favors and Kanter. We can easily end up being a team sporting for several games the starting five of Burke-Burks-Rush-Kanter-Biedrins, or Lucas-Hayward-Williams-Favors-Gobert. Ugly.
 
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