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My MIL used to work at Zions bank before she retired. Larry Miller had the right connections and would, on behalf of Karl, get him the names of people that were in jeopardy of losing their homes to foreclosure due to financial issues. Karl would then pay of their mortgage for them. My MIL says that she is aware of at least 4 times that Malone did this.
 
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My MIL used to work at Zions bank before she retired. Larry Miller had the right connections and would, on behalf of Karl, get him the names of people that were in jeopardy of losing their homes to foreclosure due to financial issues. Karl would then pay of their mortgage for them. My MIL says that she is aware of at least 4 times that Malone did this.
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I doubt this on SO many levels. First and foremost, there is no way that Zions would put their reputation and their bank at risk by releasing information like that to ANYBODY. This is a great story, but it's just not true.
 
"Selected by The Sporting News in 1999 as one of the "99 Good Guys in Sports", because he donated $200,000 worth of supplies to Navajo Indians and to pay off a mortgage for a family with four sick children"

https://www.nba.com/playerfile/karl_malone/bio.html

Karl Malone was here before all the privacy laws of the past decade or so went into effect. I have absolutely no doubt that if LHM called Zion's Bank in the 80's and 90's they would provide him with that information. However, he wouldn't even need to go to Zions Bank since Notice of Default's are PUBLIC information that are recorded with the county and anyone who has the inclination can go search them.

Some of the people on this site are so jaded and wrapped up in their own moral superiority it makes me sick. Karl Malone made the mistake, he acknowledged it, apologized for it and later in life tried to make up for it.

Malone did more for this franchise than anyone not named LHM, Stockton and Sloan. I would love to hear about the stupid stuff you did when you were 19 years old. I bet some of it put through today's standards might have been illegal. Grow up and accept the fact that this guy has done more in his life than you will ever do in your pathetic, cubicle sitting, donut eating, minimum wage, mother's basement dwelling life. Get off your high horse and crawl back to your hole.
 
ncoloradojazz said:
a child is a child regardless of age or sex its wrong
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Really? So how exactly did you decide that? Or we talking legally, biologically, or socially? Because the definition of a child certainly is flexible.

Let's agree than nobody should engage in intimate contact with anyone outside of their experience sphere. Whether it is a 20 year old with a 13 year old, or a 20 year old with a 50 year old. Regardless of what we decide a child to be.
 
I thank Karl Malone for what he did for the Jazz during his career. But, to turn his back on his own flesh and blood is unforgivable in my book. It would be one thing if he made the mistake and then tried to correct it, but last I heard he still has made no effort to know his son. It's his prerogative, but I still think he's a bad person for doing it.
 
Do you realize that Malone reached a settlement with the family of the child in the mid to late 80's? While I agree that Malone acted inapprorately, and in a perfect world should have been there to play catch with the kid, he did accept that responsiblity which is much more than a lot of people can say.

I would be shocked if there are not several people on this message board that aren't delinquent in their child support and alimony payments. You people are throwing the book at a guy that made a mistake, took responsibilty for it and has acknowledged that he did wrong. I didn't know there were so many perfect people out there that never made mistakes...
 
It's not the money. It's that he doesn't care to know his child. Try putting yourself in his kid's shoes. It would be devastating to have your biological father not want anything to do with you. I am not throwing the book at him. I recognize his personal and team achievements with the Jazz, and I can also say kudos for his volunteer work. I just have a hard time ignoring what he did, that's all.
 
This is starting to get philosophical, but really, what gives us the right to be judge, jury, and executioner on him? He was hired to do a single job: put a leather ball through an iron hoop. No one asked him to fulfill the role of Mother Theresa or Gandhi or anyone like that. Simply put, he's human. He made a set of decisions and will live with the consequences - whatever they may be. We have not been asked to gauge him with our own subjective moral compasses...or have we?
 
Well since I was raised by my mom and grandparents and didn't meet my biological father until I was 23 years old I'd say I have a pretty decent idea about how the kid felt about not having a father in his life. Guess what, there are a lot of people who grow up in that situation. Unfortunately it's not terribly uncommon. The guy is playing in the NFL and from what I have read seems to be very well adjusted and very happy. If you can't get past the fact that Malone ignored a biological son, then I've got a question for you, how are your feelings towards Larry Bird? Face it, very few professional athletes live an "A.C. Green" like code of conduct. Malone at least took responsibilty.
 
I concede chemdude's point. When it comes to what Malone was hired to do, no one really did it better at his position. I laud his achievements and thank him for the 18+ years I was entertained watching him play. I will just say that I make my choices based on what I feel is appropriate and because of his past I would never buy anything from his dealership, but I wouldn't boo him either.
 
Interesting, Rich Gates, do you pull background checks on the owners of all businesses before you spend money there?
 
Realjazz said:
Interesting, Rich Gates, do you pull background checks on the owners of all businesses before you spend money there?
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No, but when a business owner publicly does something I disagree with i.e. Domino's Pizza, I will not support them financially.
 
The "problem" with being a celebrity is that so many of their actions - public or private - tend to be hunted down and scrutinized by people who know only small portions of the story. I understand what Richgates and others are saying about Karl's reprehensible actions. After all, it is human nature to judge what is different from ourselves. But at the end of the day - and this is really my own personal opinion on the matter - Karl's primary role was to entertain. Just as Wilt's primary role was to entertain (not bed 20k women), or Michael's primary role was to entertain (not gamble away millions), etc.

I suppose I just consider what he did to be the actions of a young, immature man. Surely he's not the same person today that he was 30+ years ago. For that matter, he's probably not the same person he was 3 years ago. None of us are. Hopefully, in his own way, for his own internal calm, he's made amends. I shrug my shoulders at it mainly because when I bought my tickets, I was paying to see him dunk Kemp to the ground, or guard Shaq, or as many of his highlights show, run the famous play with Johnny Stock; not to ponder about his relationship with his kids/ex-one night stand.
 
So if you were in the market for a new Toyota would you go to Brent Brown Toyota without checking to see if he had commited anything you disagree with in the past? How extensive would your research be? You realize that you are most likely using an operating system on your computer (Windows) that is property of Microsoft, a company some would say was dishonest in their initial development of the Windows and at the minimum have played exceptionally dirty in business. Do you own anything that says the word "Nike" on it? Just wondering how the poor 9 year old Indonesian kid who made you sneakers feels. How about any clothes from the GAP? I could go on and on.... Maybe you need to be either more universal in your condemnation of others or more forgiving. Not sure, you can decide.
 
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