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LogGrad98 said:
Per 48 is a near meaningless stat. Let me get 1 rebound in 11 seconds of game play and my per 48 is a whopping 261 rebounds per 48. I am not disagreeing with you about AJ. I am firmly in the camp that thinks he would function far better as a PF than a center. But the per 48 stat does over-inflate people that don't get the PT, when there is no way to prove that if they had the PT they would perform at that level.
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The "per 48" stat is pointless if you only play 1 minute a game. But its very helpfull for a player playing 20+ per game. (If it wasn't they woulndt have it) this is a stat that scouts use to see a players impact when going the duration. Like when picking college players eligible for the nba draft. I'm not disagreeing with you, well maybe I am, but I'm on my final strike on jazz fanz so ill leave it at that before I make you looke stupid.
 
Lakers_Slapper said:
The "per 48" stat is pointless if you only play 1 minute a game. But its very helpfull for a player playing 20+ per game. (If it wasn't they woulndt have it) this is a stat that scouts use to see a players impact when going the duration. Like when picking college players eligible for the nba draft. I'm not disagreeing with you, well maybe I am, but I'm on my final strike on jazz fanz so ill leave it at that before I make you looke stupid.
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Just go run the stats at NBA.com or elsewhere for per48 for rebounds and see who is above who. And that is what people use to make their arguments. Of course there is some use for it, don't be stupid. But it is not a good single stat to use to compare 2 players head to head.
 
Dammit guys.

Salty has a point!

We're sooooooooooo missing the 5 games that Boozer would have played this year. We would have missed all those "injuries" as he went off jackpotting around with Michele Money.

Salty clearly has a point. Boozer is so much better than Jefferson and Millsap.

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We have certainly missed Boozer tripping over the bag of cash in his house and injuring his knuckles. That story would have been something around these parts, especially right after a fresh contract.
 
The title of this thread is actually more apt to describe the Jazz ownership and top brass. It doesnt matter whether it is father or son running the team. The bottomline remains the same. Point to be taken.
 
The Thriller said:
Dammit guys.

Salty has a point!

We're sooooooooooo missing the 5 games that Boozer would have played this year. We would have missed all those "injuries" as he went off jackpotting around with Michele Money.

Salty clearly has a point. Boozer is so much better than Jefferson and Millsap.

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I know our resident idiot missed it, but my point was we should have kept Matthews instead of Millsap. And yes, we are absolutely missing Matthews.

By the way, Okur at pf and Jefferson at c is not undersized, has inside and outside games, and rebounds well.
 
SaltyDawg said:
I know our resident idiot missed it, but my point was we should have kept Matthews instead of Millsap. And yes, we are absolutely missing Matthews.

By the way, Okur at pf and Jefferson at c is not undersized, has inside and outside games, and rebounds well.
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It could work if Okur returned to his old form. Thats a huge if.
 
SaltyDawg said:
I know our resident idiot missed it, but my point was we should have kept Matthews instead of Millsap. And yes, we are absolutely missing Matthews.

By the way, Okur at pf and Jefferson at c is not undersized, has inside and outside games, and rebounds well.
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I like this. Matthews would be better than anything we have at the wing now. I was against them letting him go from the beginning. But KOC never listens to be the *******.

I also want to see them start Memo to play alongside AJ. At least the threat of Memo and his 3's would open up the floor for AJ and Deron to work around the basket.

That really is the biggest thing we miss this year, someone who can actually hit the outside shot with enough consistency to keep the defense honest. Not sure how many more games I can watch with Bell, CJ and AK left all alone while their defender roams and disrupts the offense down low.
 
SaltyDawg said:
So I decided to check out the Jazz board and see what what's what. It's been a while...

I remember everyone on this board blasting Boozer relentlessly for being soft. Supposedly all we needed was a "shot blocking center" and the Jazz would be the greatest team in the history of basketball. Supposedly Boozer's soft defense was the only thing wrong with the Jazz defense. Supposedly the Jazz were a great rebounding team without Boozer and Boozer's numbers were padded by stealing rebounds from his team mates. Supposedly the Jazz could put any scrub at power forward and they would automatically look like an all world player due to the Jazz offense.

Well here we are. We have a center averaging 2 blocks per game. We have a team who gets killed on the boards every night. We have Millsap looking like a scrub at power forward more often than he looks like a starter- especially when it comes to rebounding. We have one of the worst defensive teams in the league (especially lately).

And what do I see all over this board? People blasting the Jazz offense (and Jefferson) because Jefferson actually posts up. People blasting Jefferson's defense.

I guess people need to be careful what they wish for. Or I guess another way to put it is people will always find something to complain about.

Serious topic here. I was talking with one of my friends and he brought up a good point. If the Jazz could do it all over again, do they let Portland have Millsap and then match Wes Matthews? Would the Jazz really be any worse right now starting AK at power forward, or Okur at power forward, or even Elson or Evans? They would clearly be better off starting Matthews at sg than Bell, I don't think anyone disagrees with that.
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Here we have Boozer getting injured before the season even starts. Missing the first month of the season to a lame injury.
Some things never change....
 
Revolution 9 said:
Here we have Boozer getting injured before the season even starts. Missing the first month of the season to a lame injury.
Some things never change....
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Boozer missed the first month of the season, but he's still been more productive than Millsap overall.

Has Millsap even got double digit rebounds against a winning team yet? If he has, those games have been few and far between.
 
SaltyDawg said:
Boozer missed the first month of the season, but he's still been more productive than Millsap overall.
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How did you arrive at that conclusion? Someone in the Booz> Millsap thread took into account games missed and divided total points+rebs for the year by the no of games played and Millsap came out with higher averages.

You have to somehow figure in durability into overall productivity. I think the gap gets closer then.

Booz is of course the more skilled player, no one is debating that. But how much he has helped his cirrent team to get the record that they have now is something that is a strong function of the no of games Booz was healthy and contributed
 
vj_74 said:
How did you arrive at that conclusion? Someone in the Booz> Millsap thread took into account games missed and divided total points+rebs for the year by the no of games played and Millsap came out with higher averages.

You have to somehow figure in durability into overall productivity. I think the gap gets closer then.

Booz is of course the more skilled player, no one is debating that. But how much he has helped his cirrent team to get the record that they have now is something that is a strong function of the no of games Booz was healthy and contributed
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Boozer is averaging 20 points, 10 rebounds, and 55% from the field. Millsap is averaging 17 points, 8 rebounds, and 53% from the floor. Boozer has got double digit rebounds in 19 games so far. Millsap has double digit rebounds in 11 games so far.

Boozer plays less minutes too, and still puts up better stats.

If someone is seriously trying to make an argument that Millsap is better than Boozer, then they are an idiot. I thought it was a given that Boozer was much better than Millsap. My point in this thread is even Okur or Kirilenko is as good as Millsap so we should have let Millsap go to Portland and kept Matthews instead. Boozer being better was a given.
 
SaltyDawg said:
Boozer is averaging 20 points, 10 rebounds, and 55% from the field. Millsap is averaging 17 points, 8 rebounds, and 53% from the floor. Boozer has got double digit rebounds in 19 games so far. Millsap has double digit rebounds in 11 games so far.

Boozer plays less minutes too, and still puts up better stats.

If someone is seriously trying to make an argument that Millsap is better than Boozer, then they are an idiot. I thought it was a given that Boozer was much better than Millsap. My point in this thread is even Okur or Kirilenko is as good as Millsap so we should have let Millsap go to Portland and kept Matthews instead. Boozer being better was a given.
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AK and Okur are as good as Millsap. Laughable.
 
KrazeeEyezKilla said:
AK hasn't played as well as Millsap has over the course of a season in about five years. And Okur might as well be playing in a ****ing coffin.
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Healthy Okur is one the top 6-7 centers in the league..
Prime Millsap is not one of the top 15 power forwards in the league..But I think He is a great role player.
 
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