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True Story: Clinton wasn't totally crazy when he said that.

The line of questioning was:



That's when Clinton uttered the infamous "depends on the meaning of 'is'" line with respect to the statement that there "is no sexual relationship."

Clinton's argument about the word "is" relates to time-frame. At the time that the statement was made that there is no sexual relationship it was true because, at that point in time no sexual relationship existed. The relationship had ended. Clinton's argument is about the difference between "is" and "was."

It's been portrayed as a big semantics game for obvious reasons, but remember that Kenneth Starr was trying to go after Clinton for perjury. Clinton's argument about why what he said was true, and therefore not perjury, is actually pretty valid.

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Originally Posted by VINYLONE
Those that responded with a comparison between drug addiction and homosexuality, do you believe that homosexuality can be cured like in the cases of drug or alcohol addiction?

For the most part yes.


In your opinion what would be the best way to go about curing it? Or at least attempting to.
 
True Story: Clinton wasn't totally crazy when he said that.
Clearly...
He's a smart man, so when he's breaking down his judiciary situation, he's thinking at a level which is independently analyzing all facets of the process. But to the outside world his analysis is so painstakingly exact, that it seems as though he is a babbling idiot.

I guess at a certain point... pure genius facades as stupidity.
 
If you want the real answer, next year go to the mormon missionary booth at the gay pride parade and talk to the thousands of them. They will tell you some crazy **** that is pretty consistent across all of the momons and former mormons who are gay.

Crazy stuff regarding what?
 
In your opinion what would be the best way to go about curing it? Or at least attempting to.
I'm sure some therapy would be needed. But given the nature of the beast I think you'd need a lot of heavenly help. I don't think it's something you do on your own even with therapy.
 
I'm sure some therapy would be needed. But given the nature of the beast I think you'd need a lot of heavenly help. I don't think it's something you do on your own even with therapy.


Do you consider it to be akin to a mental illness or defect?
 
I laugh at the notion of 'curing' homsexuality. Concentration camps are the obvious answer.
 
Are you and Conan talking about changing the behavior or changing the inclination?


I think the inclination...any behavior can be stopped if someone wants to stop it badly enough (i.e. a smoker or alcoholic always will have the inclination to smoke/drink but they can quit even if they don't WANT to). Granted, I don't consider homosexuality to be a bad habit akin to those nor a sin but I don't wanna get into a heated discussion over that. I was just curious what he'd consider a logical way to change.
 
Perhaps my sarcasm didn't shine through like I had hoped. My bad.

But seriously, are you of the mind that homosexuality can be 'cured'? I've always thought the idea was absurd.

No not at all...I don't think of it as an illness nor a sin that needs to be 'cured'. No worries. I was just curious as to Conan's ideas , I don't like to debate this stuff but I always am interested to hear different viewpoints on this type of subject.
 
It's amazing how fast a thread can take off. It's been less than 24 hours, and this is 4 pages long already. Sorry if this is a little lost from the current direction of the thread, but I wanted to get at this.
What are you looking for here Viny? Someone to say "I'd be devastated and disown my child"? I think most people on here would do what's already been said, love the sinner but not the sin.
I like to think I would be supportive of my child and their companion, whatever their sexual orientation. But that being said, I don't think I can truly know unless I am put in that spot.

I think that's an interesting statement in of itself.
Why is that an interesting statement? I know the way I feel about homosexuality. I know the way I feel about my kids. I don't know 100% how I will react in ANY situation that I have not been in. I can't see or predict the future, so I feel there is no way for me to know with absolute certainty what my reaction would be. I'll say that I think my reaction would be one of deep love for my child, regardless of sexual orientation.
 
If you want the real answer, next year go to the mormon missionary booth at the gay pride parade and talk to the thousands of them. They will tell you some crazy **** that is pretty consistent across all of the momons and former mormons who are gay.

I personally know two families that are straight-laced LDS, that have sons who have come out. Both families treat their sons the same way - as their sons. I don't know if this is necessarily the rule, but I don't believe it's the exception either. I also think the average reaction would be significantly different now than say, 20 yrs ago.
 
I wouldnt be surprised. Viny is as anti-mormon as they come. He acts as if the church murdered his family and pissed on their ashes.

But this guy is to be in his 20's. I believe Viny is an old single man. Im sure he has lots of cats and the neighborhood children make sure not to hit baseballs in his yard or trick-or-treat at his house.

I would never light someone's place of worship on fire. And that's a very hurtful insinuation. And yes, I am anti-religion.
 
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