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The Move Forward Plan - NO TANK DISCUSSION IN THIS THREAD

Saint Cy of JFC said:
Yup, I made a new thread that goes into that a bit since this thread kind of devolved into a tank thread were people are talking about the merits of adding Ben freaking Simmons.
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I screwed up on who is playing for Clippers..lol. But my point still stands. Trade for a do it all big man to run the hub. If you want to compete now (although I think Chomche can evolve into a swiss army 5 - he runs super hard and showed flashes for all skills and super young).
 
whatthe said:
I screwed up on who is playing for Clippers..lol. But my point still stands. Trade for a do it all big man to run the hub. If you want to compete now (although I think Chomche can evolve into a swiss army 5 - he runs super hard and showed flashes for all skills and super young).
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Never change lmao
 
KqWIN said:
Pretty much any and every rumor surrounding the Jazz has mentioned them trying to upgrade their current talent level. We heard from Ainge himself that they "almost" got a guy that would have made their direction more clear. THIS IS NOT A THREAD TO SAY WE SHOULD TANK. Instead, this thread is intended to discuss the possibilities when we make the assumption the Jazz do want to move forward and upgrade their talent. What are the options? Who do we like most? How can we acquire them. What does that mean for remaining players on the roster? Below is a preliminary list of "almost guys", but feel free to add more or discuss other potential targets.

Ingram
Miles Bridges
Trae Young
Dejounte Murray
Tyler Herro
Jerami Grant
Anfernee Simons
Darius Garland
Zach Lavine
Demar Derozan
Kyle Kuzma
Cam Johnson
Julius Randle
Tobias Harris
Lamelo Ball
CJ McCollum
Keldon Johnson
Karl Anthony Towns
Ben Simmons
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Good thread. I think Danny ideally wants to trade for 25–27-year-old players (he said “six- or seven-year veterans” and “1 or 2 stars” in his post-season presser) who can still get better, who would be easy to move if needed, and who are a good fit with Lauri (are good playmakers). From your list I like LaMelo, Lonzo, Ingram, and Ben Simmons. I don’t think LaMelo and Lonzo (who expects to be ready to play in the season opener) are available though. One problem here is that 2025 will probably be a better year for big game hunting. Also, our young guys need time to develop. That’s why I don’t mind if Danny can’t catch any big game this offseason.
 
^ That post calls for Deni Avdija as well, other than age. Four years in league, can get still much better, great fit with Lauri, easy to move if needed (no need, Deni will be one of the best third options in the league pretty soon.)
He won't be cheap,though.
 
KqWIN said:
I actually think they will try to trade Jimmy an cobble up enough assets to trade for Mitchell/younger max player.
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That is 100% what they are trying to do. I don't know that they will accomplish it.
 
stitches said:
Embiid is pressuring 76ers FO to make a move for Butler. Maybe they will be able to accomplish part of it...
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They need Don to hold out signing the extension. You get the picks from Philly and then reroute them to Cleveland with Herro or Rozier for Donny (plus whatever salary stuff is needed). Cleveland may insist on Jacquez. If Don gets aggressive with Cleveland I can see it being enough to get something done. Otherwise someone likely comes with a better offer.
 
I saw on Hoopsrumors that Lauri's shoulder impingement is still bothering him so much so he won't play for Finland this summer. This is concerning.
 
Derozan likely to re-sign with the Bulls, $40M annually. Major impacts on Lavine/Pat/Lonzo. Derozan at $40M puts them right at the tax w/o Pat.

Source: https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5539973/2024/06/04/bulls-offseason-10-questions/

It’s widely assumed that DeRozan, set to become an unrestricted free agent, will re-sign with the Bulls this summer. DeRozan has gushed about his time in Chicago and since the trade deadline in February has reiterated his desire to remain with the Bulls.
But the sticking point between the two sides has long been the parameters of a deal, both the amount of money and the length of the contract.
The Bulls would be happy to re-sign DeRozan on a two-year deal. DeRozan’s side obviously would covet more security. The Bulls have a habit of liberally latching player options into contracts so that carrot could come into play with DeRozan’s deal as well.The dollar amount will be hefty, likely north of $40 million annually, but is less significant to the Bulls’ long-term flexibility. Chicago wants to keep DeRozan but at a reasonable commitment. DeRozan turns 35 this summer and will be in his 15th season in 2024-25.
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A league source said the Bulls offered Williams a contract north of $16 million annually when the two sides were negotiating last fall.
That will now be the number to beat for Williams, who is set to become a restricted free agent this summer. But because a season-ending foot injury in January limited Williams to 43 games, he didn’t get the chance to prove his value to be higher.
How much the Bulls value Williams will now be fascinating to watch play out. He was Karnišovas’ first draft selection, picking him fourth in 2020. The front office and coaching staff have supported, and at times defended, Williams through everything from ineffective play to injuries.
Soon comes the moment of truth.
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It seems like they would be bidding against themselves if they give Derozan that type of money because I can't imagine anyone else would give him that type of money. He doesn't fit the magic's need for shooting and he is way too old to fit with what the pistons are trying to build unless they just want to get a veteran presence in there. I think he would be a terrible fit with Cade though.
 
I’m interested in Pat. Definitely not the most amazing player, but if that is what we got out of our cap space I’d be pretty happy about it. I feel like we’re the right type of situation for him.
 
KqWIN said:
I’m interested in Pat. Definitely not the most amazing player, but if that is what we got out of our cap space I’d be pretty happy about it. I feel like we’re the right type of situation for him.
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At 16-17M like they mentioned then I think there’s some upside there… if it gets 25Mish it gets real scary. I would want to know about his personality and work ethic. The stuff we don’t get a lot of insider info on that nba teams would have.
 
KqWIN said:
I’m interested in Pat. Definitely not the most amazing player, but if that is what we got out of our cap space I’d be pretty happy about it. I feel like we’re the right type of situation for him.
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Also... it is crazy that the Bulls will be like $20m over the tax if they keep their mid-*** team together. Vuc/Ball/Lavine make like 85M combined.
 
Lonzo/Carter + 11 for Yurt - 29/32... Saves them a bunch... use Lonzo as salary ballast in a trade if you find a win-now move in season. Or if he's healthy get him on the court.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
At 16-17M like they mentioned then I think there’s some upside there… if it gets 25Mish it gets real scary. I would want to know about his personality and work ethic. The stuff we don’t get a lot of insider info on that nba teams would have.
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If it starts at $25M and lasts 4 years….maybe that’s a little scary, I think something starting around $20M and flat would be a really strong offer for him. There’s always a chance DET drops the big bag on him…but he just doesn’t feel like someone they would go for IMO.

They could find a way to keep Pat by moving Lonzo/Lavine. But if the Jazz aren’t going no to help them it will be much more difficult.

I’d say there’s decent chance we acquire Bulls player this summer one way or another.
 
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