The Niang Dilemma

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Georges was pretty spectacular (relative to expectations personally) this year in the regular season. I'm not a huge fan, but his ability to shoot and make the right decisions on offense and defense really does make the entire team better when he's on the court. He even really stepped it up on individual defense in a significant way.

He was OK in the Memphis series. He hit his shots which is his most important role at the end of the day, but he was complete *** in the Clippers series, to a degree that was super disappointing. Not that I expected magic, but the poor decision making was unexpected.

Should Utah re-sign him and what is your price limit? Or should Utah just look to move on and develop/sign someone else in the 9th man role who maybe has more athleticism?

I would expect his market to be somewhere in the 3-4 million dollar range per year.

 

[Mongoose]

Everyone is discussing a sign and trade for Conley, but why isn't Niang a sign and trade candidate? If he gets 5-6 Million can we sign and trade for a MLE guy? I'm not sure how all that works? Or even for a trade exception?

 

[fishonjazz]

Georges was pretty spectacular (relative to expectations personally) this year in the regular season. I'm not a huge fan, but his ability to shoot and make the right decisions on offense and defense really does make the entire team better when he's on the court. He even really stepped it up on individual defense in a significant way.

He was OK in the Memphis series. He hit his shots which is his most important role at the end of the day, but he was complete *** in the Clippers series, to a degree that was super disappointing. Not that I expected magic, but the poor decision making was unexpected.

Should Utah re-sign him and what is your price limit? Or should Utah just look to move on and develop/sign someone else in the 9th man role who maybe has more athleticism?

I would expect his market to be somewhere in the 3-4 million dollar range per year.

I would like to keep him if he is cheap enough. I know he sucked bad in the clippers series (worst player on either team imo) but looking at the larger sample size he was just what you want from your 9th man. More than what you want from your 9th man really.

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[jom2003]

There is no dilemma. Niang or Royce are just some guys who come out at the draft or FA every year. Like Torrey Craig who was just sitting there for cash. Or Finney Smith who is on an expiring deal this summer.

Jazz just spent too much god damn time on working these guys into the rotation when they could've grabbed better guys to play for them from day one.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Everyone is discussing a sign and trade for Conley, but why isn't Niang a sign and trade candidate? If he gets 5-6 Million can we sign and trade for a MLE guy? I'm not sure how all that works? Or even for a trade exception?

Please tell me one trade that has happened in NBA history where a guy due to make sub 5 million a year was sign and traded.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

There is no dilemma. Niang or Royce are just some guys who come out at the draft or FA every year. Like Torrey Craig who was just sitting there for cash. Jazz just spent too much god damn time on working these guys into the rotation when they could've grabbed better guys to play for them from day one.

Guys come out the draft ever year like Royce? DUdes who can guard the best player on the court for all of his minutes and shoots above 40% from 3? Every year?

How on earth does Royce hate still exist after those two playoff series he had?

 

[jom2003]

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Guys come out the draft ever year like Royce? DUdes who can guard the best player on the court for all of his minutes and shoots above 40% from 3? Every year?

How on earth does Royce hate still exist after those two playoff series he had?

Eh cuz he's an overrated perimeter defender and too scared to shoot wide open jumpers? Look I love Royce, and he's the best 3D option we've got. But a guy like him has no business playing 30+minutes on a championship contending team. The Jazz need multiple wings like him if they intend to compete.

 

[infection]

He definitely preformed very well this year, sans the last series. He stepped it up on D. He proved himself as a rotation player, but the biggest issue is that good is the enemy of best. We may not even need something better, but we need something different from that spot. I think there's also an issue here where even if we had something different, Quin will default to what he's comfortable with, so we'd ride Niang even if the different look we need is on the bench. I'd keep him if we can address that different piece and if Niang was going to come back on a very small deal. But the problem is that the FO values consistency and will look at the season's body of work on Niang and so I'd anticipate they bring him back, and I anticipate Quin sticks with what's comfortable, so my opinion on this really doesn't matter, I just hope whatever we do works out and doesn't leave us feeling the way we current are.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

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Eh cuz he's an overrated perimeter defender and too scared to shoot wide open jumpers? Look I love Royce, and he's the best 3D option we've got. But a guy like him has no business playing 30+minutes on a championship contending team. The Jazz need multiple wings like him if they intend to compete.

Overrated by whom exactly? Guys who can guard, rebound like a demon, and shoot a high percentage don't grow on trees.

He obviously needs to work on his ability to pull it and make decisions in crunch time, but stop being an absolute ****tard about him. He's on a bargain contract and is absolutely a great 5th man on a championship team.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Guys come out the draft ever year like Royce? DUdes who can guard the best player on the court for all of his minutes and shoots above 40% from 3? Every year?

How on earth does Royce hate still exist after those two playoff series he had?

And the second-best rebounder on the team. And guards 4 positions.

 

[jom2003]

Overrated by whom exactly? Guys who can guard, rebound like a demon, and shoot a high percentage don't grow on trees.

He obviously needs to work on his ability to pull it and make decisions in crunch time, but stop being an absolute ****tard about him. He's on a bargain contract and is absolutely a great 5th man on a championship team.

Jazz need to get more guys like him and get them quick is all I'm saying. I've never said they need to or should get rid of him. And quite the opposite, they need more guys like him cuz he's currently being asked to do too much

 

[NUMBERICA]

It is very hard for me to disregard the Clippers series since it was the ENTIRE series that he was truly unbearably awful.

Given that and the cap picture, he gets a minimum deal from me or he can find somewhere else. Maybe a sign and trade if there’s a reason to do it (there’s little reason to do it for a player that won’t sniff the MLE).

 

[fishonjazz]

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Eh cuz he's an overrated perimeter defender and too scared to shoot wide open jumpers? Look I love Royce, and he's the best 3D option we've got. But a guy like him has no business playing 30+minutes on a championship contending team. The Jazz need multiple wings like him if they intend to compete.

This post seems to contradict itself. A guy like him has no business playing 30 minutes on a championship contending team yet....... Jazz need more players like him.

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[Saint Cy of JFC]

Jazz need to get more guys like him and get them quick is all I'm saying. I've never said they need to or should get rid of him. And quite the opposite, they need more guys like him cuz he's currently being asked to do too much

You said there are dudes like him every draft and said Utah wasted their time developing him when they could have easily gotten better players...

 

[jom2003]

You said there are dudes like him every draft and said Utah wasted their time developing him...

Yes, because there are guys like Torrey Craig who was just sitting there for cash while we wasting our time on projects like Oni, aka "the best perimeter defender on the team". Or even a kid like Jaden McDaniels could've helped us more in that Clippers series than all of our end of bench scrubs the so-called "projects" put together

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Yes, because there are guys like Torrey Craig who was just sitting there for cash while we wasting our time on projects like Oni, aka "the best perimeter defender on the team". Or even a kid like Jaden McDaniels could've helped us more in that Clippers series than all of our end of bench scrubs the so-called "projects" put together

Bro, why do you move the goal post in every single post you make about anything?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

And neither Torrey Craig or Jaden McDaniels are nearly as good as Royce.

 

[jom2003]

This post seems to contradict itself. A guy like him has no business playing 30 minutes on a championship contending team yet....... Jazz need more players like him.

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Having more guys like him so we can split the workload and reduce each of their playing time to about 20 or less a game?

Royce on his 25th or 26th minute is when he stop taking wide open shots and start getting cooked on defense cuz playing perimeter defense actual takes a lot of the energy away.

 

[LoPo]

Royce is keeper without a doubt. If we want to put together our best 8 man rotation, he's without a doubt part of it. 24 minutes or 36 minutes, it doesn't matter.

Back to the thread topic - what do we do with Niang?

 

[416Klawzz]

He just isn't athletic or versatile enough