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That's the NBA. Not in my personal best interest, as a fan. So I'm for rules that curb it.
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That's the NBA. Not in my personal best interest, as a fan. So I'm for rules that curb it.
This is just false statement.
Parity in NA major sportsleagues has always been a codeword to avoid the European soccer model where there is a massive difference in payrolls within those leagues and highest bidder wins everything. As a result, only few teams per league realistically compete for the titles and the teams dont rotate.
But those teams sure as hell have boatloads of fans all around the world and their market value is sky high.
However in those leagues bottom teams act as farms and make a lot of money due to transfer fees and TV deals. The top teams just bleed money, but most of them are owned by oil billionaires or such who dont care.
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This isn't always the case, AFC Richmond had a single owner, female owned even, with a sponsorship by an obscure dating app and they remained pretty competitive last year. I'm fairly certain they were not breaking the bank on their coaching staff either. . .
Are you insinuating that Ted is cheap?
The amount of advertising power you control when you own one of those teams just has to be enormous and not entirely calculated in figures. Owners always want to act like they are losing money to avoid scrutiny.
Also, does the NBA truly have parity now?
Who won the ring this past season? NIkola Jokic.
A top 3 NBA player won a ring like they do nearly every season. The jersey has a different name, but the way it was won was still very similar to how it always is.
Who won the ring this past season? NIkola Jokic.
A top 3 NBA player won a ring like they do nearly every season. The jersey has a different name, but the way it was won was still very similar to how it always is.
I dont know if you have some different interpretation of parity.
Parity in NA sports (by list of last 5 champions in each league):
NBA - Nuggets, Warriors, Bucks, Lakers, Raptors
NFL - Chiefs, Rams, Bucs, Chiefs, Patriots
NHL - Golden Knights, Avalanche, Lightning, Lightning, Blues
MLB - Astros, Braves, Dodgers, Nationals, Red Sox
MLS - LA, NY, Columbus, Seattle, Atlanta
So only 2 teams have repeated in past 5 years in NA major leagues, each of them once.
Non-parity in European soccer:
Premier League - Man City, Man City, Man City, Liverpool, Man City
La Liga - Barcelona, Real Madrid, Atletico Madrid, Real Madrid, Barcelona (last time anyone besides these 3 won was in 2003-04)
Bundesliga - Bayern, Bayern, Bayern, Bayern, Bayern
Ligue 1 - PSG, PSG, Lille, PSG, PSG
Serie A - Napoli, Milan, Inter, Juventus, Juventus
So 3 of the leagues have 1 team winning at least 4 of the 5 championships and only league that has apparent parity (Serie A) had Juventus winning 10 championships in a row before their run ended 3 years ago.
If you read what I posted I think it's pretty obvious what was said.
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I dont think that the best players winning chips means a lack of parity occurred. I think that the best (most expensive/biggest) franchises almost always getting the best players means a lack of parity occurred.
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Really good post. Parity in the US major sports is at an all time high right now. Which is good. I still contend that players forcing their way our of contracts that they signed is bad though.
If winning a ring requires you to have a top 5 player, that isnt parity IMO.
The NBA has a lot of mid tier parity right now (so like parity to get to the 2nd/3rd round). There's a lot of pretty good teams, at least more than in the past, but the same amount of actual championship level team is the same as it always is. Ultimately (IMO) neutering the upper tier's ability to be elite just makes for worse Conference FInals/Finals matchups so more teams can have an extremely slim hope of getting into the conference finals to only get crushed by the actual elite teams.
Summary: Instead of neutering the top to feed the middle, the NBA should be looking to bring up the bottom. The regular season is largely *** due to tanking. The biggest issues the NBA faces is that a lot of their media coverage is absolute garbage (took some steps to fix that this off-season), fans dont respect the regular season (largely due to the media coverage), and tanking. You fix those 3 things and you have a much better game that fans will appreciate more.
Remove the "ring or fail" mentality and suddenly every fanbase has more to root for. Keep the top teams elite for the sake of your end-game.
I had no trouble understanding what was said, just questionned your interpretation of the term "parity".
Funny that you posted your typical snarky reply but only to the first sentence of my post and ignored the main argument.
I'm sure no one will notice.
Thanks. I agree with all parts and my whole case started from trying to root out (or at least control) forcing trade requests, since they hurt parity and especially small markets.
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To me parity means that it isn't easy to predict which team wins the title. I have not been able to predict who will win the title very easy in the nba lately. I didn't see denver winning it this year. Last team that I could predict easily was the warriors. When the warriors were winning it all there wasn't parity imo because we all knew it was the warriors or lebron. (having said that, the warriors and lebron both won the chip in the last 5 years lol)
I agree that the tanking stuff sucks.
Im sorry bud, but when you start a post off by asking a question that I clearly explained in my post, I'm going to ask what that's about. You cant really have an effective conversation with someone if you dont understand each other. Why would I get to the rest of your post when you're apparently still stuck on what you're responding to?
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Wasn't their coach ted lasso?
I didnt ask anything, but merely questionned your use of the term. Maybe my phrasing wasnt the best but it is possible for an intelligent person to understand the point. Fish understood it perfectly.
And continuing to try and divert this to semantics is sort of cute but too obvious and I already called you out for it.
Parity is when there is no clear favorite and right now in the nba we have a level of parity that we haven't seen in a long time. There are probably 10 teams that are in the championship conversation with a few others that have the talent to jump into that conversation. In the east I have the Heat, Bucks and Celtics clearly in the conversation with the cavs and knicks right there. The sixers are probably in the conversation as well even with the Harden situation because Embiid and Maxey are still damn good duo. The west is even more loaded with a bunch of teams in the conversation. I guarantee no one on this board will agree with me but the wolves are my favorite team in the west this year. Their mix of stars and role players is the perfect blend while I think Ant is ready to take that next step to full blown superstar.
FWIW, I think parity is simply defined as every team feeling like they can compete with every other team.
Short term parity (within a season), probably isn't that important, and I don't have strong feelings on if it is good or not.
Long term parity, where every team feels like they are able to compete at some point for a championship is what's actually important.
Short term parity (within a season), probably isn't that important, and I don't have strong feelings on if it is good or not.
Long term parity, where every team feels like they are able to compete at some point for a championship is what's actually important.