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SoberasHotRod said:
It's crazy they figured it out so fast. When we killed them before the all star break I thought they looked like the worst defensive team I'd ever seen.
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I think every other team just havent figured them out. Its a different system with luka. Holes will be exposed eventually
 
Just a reminder that what lebron is doing is insane. We have never seen it before and there is a decent chance we never see it again.

Last night 40 year old lebron played 44 minutes and had 31 points, 12 rebounds, 8 assists, and 1 turnover in a win over the knicks. He isn't human.

His 40 year old season stats are not much different from any other year of his GOAT level career. The Lakers are currently the #2 seed with a roster than is pretty pedestrian. AD was really good but missed a few games (lakers went 4-1 without AD) and then was traded. Then an overweight coming off an injury luka who dallas was apparently desperate to get rid of shows up and the lakers dont miss a beat. Luka has been good but inefficient (40%, 30%, Efg of 47.8%) so far and is notorious for no defense. Lakers have won 8 in a row. Lebron has only missed 4 games out of 60 and hasn't missed any back to backs whether the front end or the back end. Make no mistake about it. Lebron put the lakers on his back all season long and carried them to the #2 seed in the west.

**** is crazy.
 
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Matas has been hooping lately. Idk if he will be able to put it all together, but his potential is immense. Great athlete, plays hard, and has a decent amount of skill.
 
KqWIN said:
List of players more overrated than Banchero:






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It’s almost impressive that the team is just as bad if not worse after his return, especially considering they are a team with terrible offense and offense is supposed to the be thing he contributes.
 
I cant justly judge Banchero because the Magic have purposefully done nothing to improve the construction of their team for w/e reason. No primary option is going to look good on a team that shoots 30% from 3.
 
fishonjazz said:
Just a reminder that what lebron is doing is insane. We have never seen it before and there is a decent chance we never see it again.

Last night 40 year old lebron played 44 minutes and had 31 points, 12 rebounds, 8 assists, and 1 turnover in a win over the knicks. He isn't human.

His 40 year old season stats are not much different from any other year of his GOAT level career. The Lakers are currently the #2 seed with a roster than is pretty pedestrian. AD was really good but missed a few games (lakers went 4-1 without AD) and then was traded. Then an overweight coming off an injury luka who dallas was apparently desperate to get rid of shows up and the lakers dont miss a beat. Luka has been good but inefficient (40%, 30%, Efg of 47.8%) so far and is notorious for no defense. Lakers have won 8 in a row. Lebron has only missed 4 games out of 60 and hasn't missed any back to backs whether the front end or the back end. Make no mistake about it. Lebron put the lakers on his back all season long and carried them to the #2 seed in the west.

**** is crazy.
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He's an alien
 
KqWIN said:
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When your sole NBA comparison is Julius Randle, what did people really expect lol. If your whole game is centered around isolation, you'd better make sure you are darn good at it
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I cant justly judge Banchero because the Magic have purposefully done nothing to improve the construction of their team for w/e reason. No primary option is going to look good on a team that shoots 30% from 3.
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He's in no position to blame on spacing when he himself is very much part of the problem. Just name me one no 1 option on other 29 teams who's a worse 3pt shooter than Banchero(30% on 5.7 attempts). Opponents basically are sagging off and daring him to shoot from deep at this point. They'd rather cut off his driving lane and packing the paint even more cuz they know Banchero isn't gonna hurt them from outside.
 
jom2003 said:
He's in no position to blame on spacing when he himself is very much part of the problem. Just name me one no 1 option on other 29 teams who's a worse 3pt shooter than Banchero(30% on 5.7 attempts). Opponents basically are sagging off and daring him to shoot from deep at this point. They'd rather cut off his driving lane and packing the paint even more cuz they know Banchero isn't gonna hurt them from outside.
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Ok? Your primary scorer shouldnt have to space the court for himself. You put players around him to space the court for him. Unless Banchero is in charge of making personal choices, it's not his fault the Magic cant shoot.
 
The Magic either have to stock the roster with shooting around Banchero/Wagner and give up the ideal of having your entire team being long/athletic defenders, or make a decision between Banchero/Wagner to add a 2nd star who can shoot so they can have a more balanced roster with their athletes and add some shooting.
 
The spacing matters….but the reason why Banchero is the most overrated player in the league is that there is a player playing on the same team and in the same conditions who is significantly better on both ends but does not get the same credit or attention.
 
KqWIN said:
The spacing matters….but the reason why Banchero is the most overrated player in the league is that there is a player playing on the same team and in the same conditions who is significantly better on both ends but does not get the same credit or attention.
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He got a 5 year max contract...
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
He got a 5 year max contract...
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And well deserved, but I don't call players under/over rated based on their contracts. I am not talking about over or underpaid, I'm talking about the recognition and accolades they get for their performance beyond salary. The fact that it's even a discussion on who the better player is shows how overrated Banchero is.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Ok? Your primary scorer shouldnt have to space the court for himself. You put players around him to space the court for him. Unless Banchero is in charge of making personal choices, it's not his fault the Magic cant shoot.
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If you can shoot, you don't need spacing to be effective don't you think? Because Banchero can't shoot, he needs that driving lane and teammates to provide the spacing for him. And also because he's not much of a passer/playmaker, his drive often takes him to nowhere cuz opponents knew they can double up on him without getting punished.

Long story short, Banchero is basically a Julius Randle with worse rebounding. Highly overrated and not a No 1 material. And judging by the way he plays I doubt he ever becomes a good secondary/tertiary option.
 
jom2003 said:
He's in no position to blame on spacing when he himself is very much part of the problem. Just name me one no 1 option on other 29 teams who's a worse 3pt shooter than Banchero(30% on 5.7 attempts). Opponents basically are sagging off and daring him to shoot from deep at this point. They'd rather cut off his driving lane and packing the paint even more cuz they know Banchero isn't gonna hurt them from outside.
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Didn't have to think for more than a second.
Giannis.
He might be the only one though. I can't think of another so it's still a fair point.
 
fishonjazz said:
Didn't have to think for more than a second.
Giannis.
He might be the only one though. I can't think of another so it's still a fair point.
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Oops. Just thought of another one.
Zion.
Westbrook a few years back would be another.
 
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